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The comparison of sangria versus Mouton Rothschild wine has nothing to do with "classic" versus "modern" and more to do with art appreciation versus entertainme

The comparison of sangria versus Mouton Rothschild wine has nothing to do with "classic" versus "modern" and more to do with art appreciation versus entertainment. There is a rich tradition of art music appreciation that has grown in depth and nuance over centuries. This tradition and culture grew in respect and aesthetic value over time, yet today a smaller proportion of the population holds the same respect and aesthetic values. There is nothing wrong with being entertained by orchestral video game music, but to an initiate in the world of classical art music it is disappointing if listeners don't want to engage with orchestral music more beyond reliving their gaming experiences. There are so many more thoughts and feelings an orchestra can inspire in a listener if they invest in absorbing that tradition.

ajuc 11y ago
There is nothing wrong with being entertained by classical music, but to an initiate in the world of videogame music it is dissapointing if listeners don't want to engage with videogame music beyond reliving their classical experiences. There are so many more feelings an orchestra can inspire in a listener if they invest in absorbing that tradition. :) There is good music and bad music, genres are just sets of constraints, none is inherently better than other, what matters is how composer use them. Good chiptune can be a better art than mediocre classical piece. And I would argue more "non-classicaly-trained" people know classical music (even by accident), than the other way around. Everybody have heard Vivaldi, Mozart, Bach, and Strauss at some point in life. Most people never heard Flimbo Quest or Zelda soundtrack. In 100 years there will be people with PhDs arguing over the merits of classical SID chiptunes vs the Amiga era mods. PS if you're interested in trying something different I reccomend this presentation about chiptunes - it's interestnig and gives you some idea about the genre constraints and stylistic choices https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjcK5JFEFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjcK5JFEFE
- dcsommer 11y ago
  Are you saying that video game music has more to offer besides reliving gaming memories? I'm genuinely interested in what is offered. For art music, there are already tons of resources for learning how to appreciate it more deeply.
  - ajuc 11y ago
    > For art music, there are already tons of resources for learning how to appreciate it more deeply. Could you recommend something? I'm sceptical about "dancing about architecture", but I'd like to give it a try. So far I like some classical music (the famous guys mostly, also some stuff from Chopin), but I never was hardcore about that. > Are you saying that video game music has more to offer besides reliving gaming memories? Would Chopin's polonaises be less worthy had he wrote them for a video game? There's any genre you can name in videogame music. Even statisticaly there has to be something good there. From non-chiptunes I particulary like OSTs for the first Witcher and Bastion. And then there are genres that evolved with and for video games (and demoscene), like chiptunes or mods, and there's a lot of good music there, too. In fact chiptunes share a lot of constraints with symphonic music, and the amount of creativity there is great (imagine every classical composer had a private orchestra available for experimenting 24h/7 since he was a kid). For nice compilation of recent chiptunes see https://www.reddit.com/r/chiptunes/comments/pq72m/what_chiptune_albums_would_you_consider_as/c3re7rv https://www.reddit.com/r/chiptunes/comments/pq72m/what_chipt...
    - ajuc 11y ago
      Can't edit anymore. This album is probably my favorite http://music.disasterpeace.com/album/rise-of-the-obsidian-interstellar http://music.disasterpeace.com/album/rise-of-the-obsidian-in...
    - dcsommer 11y ago
      I've been using the somewhat annoying term "art music" instead of classical music to unpack carefully and artistically crafted music from music purely for commercial entertainment / not intended for close critique. The instruments used largely don't matter -- Chopin is indeed beautiful in certain chip tune arrangements. I'll make a slight digression here though by asserting that keeping live performers in the loop adds an additional unreplaceable layer to the music, since the performer then gets to interpert the original music and highlight new patterns within the music. Unfortunately I don't know specific books to learn this appreciation (although I know there are excellent ones out there) -- I was raised in this tradition and absorbed it through violin lessons, practice on my instrument, theory class, history class, and listening to a lot of classical music.
ckozlowski 11y ago
I agree. I see performances like these as a way of introducing symphony to a younger audience. Orchestra does sort of having that "stuffy" vibe to it, and when I took music in high school, there wasn't much that was done to change that perception, that was was unfortunately. I went to both the Final Fantasy and Zelda concerts at Wolf Trap in Fairfax, and I was stunned at just how packed the show was. (It's an outdoor amphitheater.) And the ages. And here is the NSO getting ready to perform, and most of these people are in their teens to 20s. How fantastic is that, to draw in that many young people to see what a real orchestra can do? And not only that, but to witness what goes into making the music they enjoy when they're playing scenes from the game above the stage. Suddenly you're able to place musicians with the sounds you're hearing and the notes being played. I dare say, many of them, if not most of them, appreciate and enjoy classical orchestra music. It's always been with them. Just they haven't always realized it. =)

ajuc 11y ago

There is nothing wrong with being entertained by classical music, but to an initiate in the world of videogame music it is dissapointing if listeners don't want to engage with videogame music beyond reliving their classical experiences. There are so many more feelings an orchestra can inspire in a listener if they invest in absorbing that tradition. :) There is good music and bad music, genres are just sets of constraints, none is inherently better than other, what matters is how composer use them. Good chiptune can be a better art than mediocre classical piece. And I would argue more "non-classicaly-trained" people know classical music (even by accident), than the other way around. Everybody have heard Vivaldi, Mozart, Bach, and Strauss at some point in life. Most people never heard Flimbo Quest or Zelda soundtrack. In 100 years there will be people with PhDs arguing over the merits of classical SID chiptunes vs the Amiga era mods. PS if you're interested in trying something different I reccomend this presentation about chiptunes - it's interestnig and gives you some idea about the genre constraints and stylistic choices https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjcK5JFEFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjcK5JFEFE

dcsommer 11y ago
Are you saying that video game music has more to offer besides reliving gaming memories? I'm genuinely interested in what is offered. For art music, there are already tons of resources for learning how to appreciate it more deeply.
- ajuc 11y ago
  > For art music, there are already tons of resources for learning how to appreciate it more deeply. Could you recommend something? I'm sceptical about "dancing about architecture", but I'd like to give it a try. So far I like some classical music (the famous guys mostly, also some stuff from Chopin), but I never was hardcore about that. > Are you saying that video game music has more to offer besides reliving gaming memories? Would Chopin's polonaises be less worthy had he wrote them for a video game? There's any genre you can name in videogame music. Even statisticaly there has to be something good there. From non-chiptunes I particulary like OSTs for the first Witcher and Bastion. And then there are genres that evolved with and for video games (and demoscene), like chiptunes or mods, and there's a lot of good music there, too. In fact chiptunes share a lot of constraints with symphonic music, and the amount of creativity there is great (imagine every classical composer had a private orchestra available for experimenting 24h/7 since he was a kid). For nice compilation of recent chiptunes see https://www.reddit.com/r/chiptunes/comments/pq72m/what_chiptune_albums_would_you_consider_as/c3re7rv https://www.reddit.com/r/chiptunes/comments/pq72m/what_chipt...
  - ajuc 11y ago
    Can't edit anymore. This album is probably my favorite http://music.disasterpeace.com/album/rise-of-the-obsidian-interstellar http://music.disasterpeace.com/album/rise-of-the-obsidian-in...
  - dcsommer 11y ago
    I've been using the somewhat annoying term "art music" instead of classical music to unpack carefully and artistically crafted music from music purely for commercial entertainment / not intended for close critique. The instruments used largely don't matter -- Chopin is indeed beautiful in certain chip tune arrangements. I'll make a slight digression here though by asserting that keeping live performers in the loop adds an additional unreplaceable layer to the music, since the performer then gets to interpert the original music and highlight new patterns within the music. Unfortunately I don't know specific books to learn this appreciation (although I know there are excellent ones out there) -- I was raised in this tradition and absorbed it through violin lessons, practice on my instrument, theory class, history class, and listening to a lot of classical music.

ckozlowski 11y ago

I agree. I see performances like these as a way of introducing symphony to a younger audience. Orchestra does sort of having that "stuffy" vibe to it, and when I took music in high school, there wasn't much that was done to change that perception, that was was unfortunately. I went to both the Final Fantasy and Zelda concerts at Wolf Trap in Fairfax, and I was stunned at just how packed the show was. (It's an outdoor amphitheater.) And the ages. And here is the NSO getting ready to perform, and most of these people are in their teens to 20s. How fantastic is that, to draw in that many young people to see what a real orchestra can do? And not only that, but to witness what goes into making the music they enjoy when they're playing scenes from the game above the stage. Suddenly you're able to place musicians with the sounds you're hearing and the notes being played. I dare say, many of them, if not most of them, appreciate and enjoy classical orchestra music. It's always been with them. Just they haven't always realized it. =)