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Actually, type 2 diabetes is linked to a diet high in saturated fat.

mindcrime 11y ago
Unless you have something more recent than this, that appears to be a tenuous connection, at best. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/620.full http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/620.full
- atomical 11y ago
  The study links a high fat diet to diabetes: "The current study adds weight to the longstanding recommendation to restrict total fat and saturated fat. While adjusting for BMI eliminates the effect, this does not mean that dietary fat is not important. It is biologically plausible that high-fat diets promote weight gain, which then promotes insulin resistance. There is a large body of evidence that supports this view." It also references the large body of evidence that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin: "A large body of experimental data generated in laboratory animals strongly supports the notion that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin action. It appears from animal studies that saturated fats, in particular, have the most detrimental effects. Based on this information, along with the known risks of high saturated fat intake on cardiovascular disease risk, professional organizations such as the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have made recommendations that Americans aim for a total fat intake of no more than 30% of calories and choose foods low in saturated fat." I wouldn't describe it as tenuous. But this is just one review of a study. There is a lot more out there. It doesn't necessarily need to be the most recent to be substantive.
  - mindcrime 11y ago
    While adjusting for BMI eliminates the effect, this does not mean that dietary fat is not important If the effect goes away when controlling for BMI, I'd say that's a pretty weak link. A large body of experimental data generated in laboratory animals strongly supports the notion that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin action "in laboratory animals" Color me skeptical, but lots of things happen in animals that don't happen in humans. Animal studies are suggestive, but hardly conclusive. Sound tenuous to me. But I'm also weighing that against a large body of research that suggests that high-fat, low-carb, moderate protein diets are a very healthy diet... possibly optimal for some people.
rhinoceraptor 11y ago
I'm sure you know correlation does not equal causation. It would be absurd to say playing baseball is linked to oral cancer, because we know chewing tobacco is popular among players. Saturated fat is categorically the same as cigarettes in the popular conscious, therefore it is not surprising that (in general) people who eat more of the stuff are unhealthy.
- atomical 11y ago
  They are risk factors. That is all. What does the popular conscious have to do with it? Are you suggesting that if saturated fat was considered healthy people who ate more of the stuff would be healthier?
  - rhinoceraptor 11y ago
    I'm saying by virtue of it being "bad", the people likely to partake in it are (by my speculation) more likely to make other unhealthy choices, and the people who avoid it are more likely to make other healthy choices. There is a double blind study regarding this, The Minnesota Coronary Study, it found no effect to heart health or mortality by reducing saturated fat.
yourapostasy 11y ago
Please give the cite(s) for that assertion, I'd like to review them. Among the Type 2's aggressively treating their metabolic disorder (a significant fraction whom drop out of Type 2 biomarkers and can stop taking medication, and are re-classified as insulin resistant at worst), overwhelmingly the diet used is various degrees of low carb, with some experimenting with various fasting regimens mixed in. As long as total caloric intake does not exceed one's TDEE, so far it seems daily high saturated fat consumption (like some ketogenic diets) doesn't adversely impact blood sugar nor cholesterol metrics; some advocate not subjecting the saturated fats to overly-intense heat before consumption, but actual quantity (within reason) seems immaterial as long as the carbs are cut down to fractions of what is "normally" consumed by everyone else. Sweden's national health system has collated a lot of this research and is doing a lot of their own original research; they have recently come out officially in favor of low carb.
- atomical 11y ago
  http://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-for-diabetes/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-fo... http://nutritionfacts.org/video/lipotoxicity-how-saturated-fat-raises-blood-sugar/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/lipotoxicity-how-saturated-f... http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-diabetes/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-diabetes/ > As long as total caloric intake does not exceed one's TDEE, so far it seems daily high saturated fat consumption (like some ketogenic diets) doesn't adversely impact blood sugar nor cholesterol metrics; The diet does adversely effect cholesterol metrics. Take a look at the posts with lipids on /r/keto. Their cholesterol drops a bit because they lost weight, but most of them are still in the danger zone. I'm sure you've heard of Loren Cordain, one of the leaders of the paleo movement. He is credited as an author on a paper[0] that comes to the conclusion that 50-70mg/dl of LDL is the true optimal. You can't achieve that eating a diet rich in cholesterol. [0] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 > Sweden's national health system has collated a lot of this research and is doing a lot of their own original research; they have recently come out officially in favor of low carb. Could I get a citation for that? I thought they only recommended low carb in specific situations. Why would someone who isn't obese or diabetic go on a keto diet?

Unless you have something more recent than this, that appears to be a tenuous connection, at best. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/620.full http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/25/3/620.full

atomical 11y ago
The study links a high fat diet to diabetes: "The current study adds weight to the longstanding recommendation to restrict total fat and saturated fat. While adjusting for BMI eliminates the effect, this does not mean that dietary fat is not important. It is biologically plausible that high-fat diets promote weight gain, which then promotes insulin resistance. There is a large body of evidence that supports this view." It also references the large body of evidence that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin: "A large body of experimental data generated in laboratory animals strongly supports the notion that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin action. It appears from animal studies that saturated fats, in particular, have the most detrimental effects. Based on this information, along with the known risks of high saturated fat intake on cardiovascular disease risk, professional organizations such as the American Diabetes Association, the American Heart Association, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture have made recommendations that Americans aim for a total fat intake of no more than 30% of calories and choose foods low in saturated fat." I wouldn't describe it as tenuous. But this is just one review of a study. There is a lot more out there. It doesn't necessarily need to be the most recent to be substantive.
- mindcrime 11y ago
  While adjusting for BMI eliminates the effect, this does not mean that dietary fat is not important If the effect goes away when controlling for BMI, I'd say that's a pretty weak link. A large body of experimental data generated in laboratory animals strongly supports the notion that high-fat diets are associated with impaired insulin action "in laboratory animals" Color me skeptical, but lots of things happen in animals that don't happen in humans. Animal studies are suggestive, but hardly conclusive. Sound tenuous to me. But I'm also weighing that against a large body of research that suggests that high-fat, low-carb, moderate protein diets are a very healthy diet... possibly optimal for some people.

rhinoceraptor 11y ago

I'm sure you know correlation does not equal causation. It would be absurd to say playing baseball is linked to oral cancer, because we know chewing tobacco is popular among players. Saturated fat is categorically the same as cigarettes in the popular conscious, therefore it is not surprising that (in general) people who eat more of the stuff are unhealthy.

atomical 11y ago
They are risk factors. That is all. What does the popular conscious have to do with it? Are you suggesting that if saturated fat was considered healthy people who ate more of the stuff would be healthier?
- rhinoceraptor 11y ago
  I'm saying by virtue of it being "bad", the people likely to partake in it are (by my speculation) more likely to make other unhealthy choices, and the people who avoid it are more likely to make other healthy choices. There is a double blind study regarding this, The Minnesota Coronary Study, it found no effect to heart health or mortality by reducing saturated fat.

yourapostasy 11y ago

Please give the cite(s) for that assertion, I'd like to review them. Among the Type 2's aggressively treating their metabolic disorder (a significant fraction whom drop out of Type 2 biomarkers and can stop taking medication, and are re-classified as insulin resistant at worst), overwhelmingly the diet used is various degrees of low carb, with some experimenting with various fasting regimens mixed in. As long as total caloric intake does not exceed one's TDEE, so far it seems daily high saturated fat consumption (like some ketogenic diets) doesn't adversely impact blood sugar nor cholesterol metrics; some advocate not subjecting the saturated fats to overly-intense heat before consumption, but actual quantity (within reason) seems immaterial as long as the carbs are cut down to fractions of what is "normally" consumed by everyone else. Sweden's national health system has collated a lot of this research and is doing a lot of their own original research; they have recently come out officially in favor of low carb.

atomical 11y ago
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-for-diabetes/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-is-meat-a-risk-factor-fo... http://nutritionfacts.org/video/lipotoxicity-how-saturated-fat-raises-blood-sugar/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/lipotoxicity-how-saturated-f... http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-diabetes/ http://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-diabetes/ > As long as total caloric intake does not exceed one's TDEE, so far it seems daily high saturated fat consumption (like some ketogenic diets) doesn't adversely impact blood sugar nor cholesterol metrics; The diet does adversely effect cholesterol metrics. Take a look at the posts with lipids on /r/keto. Their cholesterol drops a bit because they lost weight, but most of them are still in the danger zone. I'm sure you've heard of Loren Cordain, one of the leaders of the paleo movement. He is credited as an author on a paper[0] that comes to the conclusion that 50-70mg/dl of LDL is the true optimal. You can't achieve that eating a diet rich in cholesterol. [0] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426 > Sweden's national health system has collated a lot of this research and is doing a lot of their own original research; they have recently come out officially in favor of low carb. Could I get a citation for that? I thought they only recommended low carb in specific situations. Why would someone who isn't obese or diabetic go on a keto diet?