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That's a funny view considering that most semiconductor companies have manufacturing plants _in_ Asia. Intel: Fab 68 Dalian, Liaoning, China AMD: Fab 2 & Fab

That's a funny view considering that most semiconductor companies have manufacturing plants _in_ Asia. Intel: Fab 68 Dalian, Liaoning, China AMD: Fab 2 & Fab 7 Singapore

dogma1138 11y ago
AMD doesn't have fabs anymore it had to sell all of them to GlobalFoundries. Fab 68 is a 65nm fab even tho it's their newest it's pretty much delegated for making non-vital parts. The only Fabs Intel has outside of the US that are manufacturing CPU's and high-value components are in Ireland(24, 14nm) and Israel(28, 22nm currently will be Intel's first 10nm fab by mid 2016). But anyhow no one doubts China has the capability to manufacture quality components, and they got better at developing internally as well many of the newer Chinese consumer electronics brands can quite easily compete with other Asian primarily Korean manufacturers quite well. The Chinese automotive industry on the other hand well didn't had much success as far as designing goes their best cars currently are probably the MG (or which ever brand SAIC Motor uses these days) ones which are based on existing designs and IP from the MG Rover buyout, and although they look very modern allot of them are based on quite old designs even the newer MG's can still be traced to the Rover 75 and the Streetwise which were well kinda outdated designs to begin with. I've drove the MG 6 when I was in China, it's not a bad car it looks quite nice the accessory pack of the leasing agency unlike in Western countries was probably couple of levels beyond what ever is normally sold in the local markets but it still felt like an older car, the steering, responsiveness breaking everything felt like a car from the late 90's early 2000's which under all the flare it kinda is.
- goldenkey 11y ago
  I was referring to GlobalFoundries since yes, AMD no longer fabricates any of its own chips. The car note is interesting. I think it is less about tech and more about price probably. Because it shouldnt be difficult to do the ol' chinaroo dupe like they do with phones and handbags. Yes, a car is significantly harder but I dont doubt the ability to be copied
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    Well when China puts their heads to it and actually builds a quality device e.g. Oppo and Huawei cell phones they look, feel, and act like a modern Korean, Japanese or US designed phones but they also cost pretty much the same... When you have a premium design that uses premium components you can't save that much money by building it in China because that is where it would've been built anyhow ;) When it comes to their old-chinaroo stuff well we all know what those things feel like and how they fall apart after 3 days. For a knockoff hand bag its not an issue, for a car well.... some people even in China probably value human life enough to understand that there's that many corners you can cut before you turn your product into another government sponsored population control project.

That's a funny view considering that most semiconductor companies have manufacturing plants _in_ Asia. Intel: Fab 68 Dalian, Liaoning, China AMD: Fab 2 & Fab 7 Singapore

dogma1138 11y ago

AMD doesn't have fabs anymore it had to sell all of them to GlobalFoundries. Fab 68 is a 65nm fab even tho it's their newest it's pretty much delegated for making non-vital parts. The only Fabs Intel has outside of the US that are manufacturing CPU's and high-value components are in Ireland(24, 14nm) and Israel(28, 22nm currently will be Intel's first 10nm fab by mid 2016). But anyhow no one doubts China has the capability to manufacture quality components, and they got better at developing internally as well many of the newer Chinese consumer electronics brands can quite easily compete with other Asian primarily Korean manufacturers quite well. The Chinese automotive industry on the other hand well didn't had much success as far as designing goes their best cars currently are probably the MG (or which ever brand SAIC Motor uses these days) ones which are based on existing designs and IP from the MG Rover buyout, and although they look very modern allot of them are based on quite old designs even the newer MG's can still be traced to the Rover 75 and the Streetwise which were well kinda outdated designs to begin with. I've drove the MG 6 when I was in China, it's not a bad car it looks quite nice the accessory pack of the leasing agency unlike in Western countries was probably couple of levels beyond what ever is normally sold in the local markets but it still felt like an older car, the steering, responsiveness breaking everything felt like a car from the late 90's early 2000's which under all the flare it kinda is.

goldenkey 11y ago
I was referring to GlobalFoundries since yes, AMD no longer fabricates any of its own chips. The car note is interesting. I think it is less about tech and more about price probably. Because it shouldnt be difficult to do the ol' chinaroo dupe like they do with phones and handbags. Yes, a car is significantly harder but I dont doubt the ability to be copied
- dogma1138 11y ago
  Well when China puts their heads to it and actually builds a quality device e.g. Oppo and Huawei cell phones they look, feel, and act like a modern Korean, Japanese or US designed phones but they also cost pretty much the same... When you have a premium design that uses premium components you can't save that much money by building it in China because that is where it would've been built anyhow ;) When it comes to their old-chinaroo stuff well we all know what those things feel like and how they fall apart after 3 days. For a knockoff hand bag its not an issue, for a car well.... some people even in China probably value human life enough to understand that there's that many corners you can cut before you turn your product into another government sponsored population control project.