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I blame so much on the media in this area. They spread lies and confusion with the constant barrage of debates about whether waterboarding really was torture.

by jgrowl 11y ago

I blame so much on the media in this area. They spread lies and confusion with the constant barrage of debates about whether waterboarding really was torture. History will not judge us kindly.

sneak 11y ago
One can opt out of "us" relatively easily by moving their personal support (i.e. tax revenue, GDP contribution, et c) elsewhere to a place that supports the universal application of human rights regardless of skin color, religious affiliation, or national origin. In 2008 I left my job, girlfriend, friends, and family behind to do so. It's tough but it's possible.
- digibo 11y ago
  Can you please elaborate on that? As of now, it sounds like you left behind everyone you knew in order to change how your taxes are spent.
  - scintill76 11y ago
    I'm assuming they emigrated and renounced US citizenship. Would be interesting to hear how and where etc though.
    - sneak 11y ago
      I didn't renounce my citizenship because I do not have any other citizenship, and my place of residence will not give me a residence permit without a passport to paste it into.
Fando 11y ago
It's not surprising at all that this is the case. The mainstream media is not directly responsible for these decisions, it is in fact controlled by the powers that be to not report against the establishment. Blaming the media is missleading, it suggests they are responsible, when actually they are held on a tight leash. Many non mainstream sources however do report on these issues but obviously their influence is tiny in comparison.
javajosh 11y ago
I'm not normally one to jump on the "it's the media" bandwagon, but it's unusually true in this case, although not in the way you present it. I think that shows and movies have show "the good guys" using torture more and more frequently, and this has actually changed our perception of right and wrong. (For example: 24, Almost Human, Batman...almost too many to list. It's funny to watch the second Rambo movie and ask yourself if there's any difference at all between the russians in afghanistan in the 80's and the US there in the 00's.)
minority-one 11y ago
What the mainstream corporate media in America and the American Psychological Association have in common is they both spread lies and confusion through their social-engineering efforts. Something else they have in common is they both have been infiltrated by a group of radical activists that have gained more influence after pivotal world events around 1967. For more on this read The Culture of Critique, a scholarly work on this subject with plentiful inviting citations to follow, most of them to the works being criticized, such as The Authoritarian Personality.

by jgrowl 11y ago

I blame so much on the media in this area. They spread lies and confusion with the constant barrage of debates about whether waterboarding really was torture. History will not judge us kindly.

sneak 11y ago

One can opt out of "us" relatively easily by moving their personal support (i.e. tax revenue, GDP contribution, et c) elsewhere to a place that supports the universal application of human rights regardless of skin color, religious affiliation, or national origin. In 2008 I left my job, girlfriend, friends, and family behind to do so. It's tough but it's possible.

digibo 11y ago
Can you please elaborate on that? As of now, it sounds like you left behind everyone you knew in order to change how your taxes are spent.
- scintill76 11y ago
  I'm assuming they emigrated and renounced US citizenship. Would be interesting to hear how and where etc though.
  - sneak 11y ago
    I didn't renounce my citizenship because I do not have any other citizenship, and my place of residence will not give me a residence permit without a passport to paste it into.

Fando 11y ago

It's not surprising at all that this is the case. The mainstream media is not directly responsible for these decisions, it is in fact controlled by the powers that be to not report against the establishment. Blaming the media is missleading, it suggests they are responsible, when actually they are held on a tight leash. Many non mainstream sources however do report on these issues but obviously their influence is tiny in comparison.

javajosh 11y ago

I'm not normally one to jump on the "it's the media" bandwagon, but it's unusually true in this case, although not in the way you present it. I think that shows and movies have show "the good guys" using torture more and more frequently, and this has actually changed our perception of right and wrong. (For example: 24, Almost Human, Batman...almost too many to list. It's funny to watch the second Rambo movie and ask yourself if there's any difference at all between the russians in afghanistan in the 80's and the US there in the 00's.)

minority-one 11y ago

What the mainstream corporate media in America and the American Psychological Association have in common is they both spread lies and confusion through their social-engineering efforts. Something else they have in common is they both have been infiltrated by a group of radical activists that have gained more influence after pivotal world events around 1967. For more on this read The Culture of Critique, a scholarly work on this subject with plentiful inviting citations to follow, most of them to the works being criticized, such as The Authoritarian Personality.