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exactly. turf wars, gang drive-bys and those committed by career gang criminal groups aren't really part of the gun conversation like the sleeper psychopath tha

exactly. turf wars, gang drive-bys and those committed by career gang criminal groups aren't really part of the gun conversation like the sleeper psychopath that goes to a child care center just to kill as many unarmed innocent people as possible for notoriety or some kind of distorted personal-political act is depraved in an entirely different way. It's kind of like, say you had a murder down the street. You'd be shocked either way, but if a wife murdered a husband for money, you're maybe not as concerned about your community as you would if it were an unsolved unconnected murder rape. Yeah the murder for money shows up as a murder, but it's one you could calmly write out the conversation about crime. that's why I hate that 294 number people touting lately. Really it's kind of BS. In other words, there are some crimes you could maybe use laws to kind of get out in front of, but some are just gonna happen, only the means might change a bit. The game is the game always.

Nrsolis 11y ago
And therein lies the rub: NOBODY on the gun-control side of things care much about the VAST majority of gun deaths; namely, gang-violence or drug-related shootings. By far, these are the largest component of murders by gun and yet the thing that really motivates Sally Housewife to get politically involved is a shooting involving "good people." MOST gun deaths are suicides. MOST gun murders are committed with handguns. Please explain to me how favorite talking-points like "we need to restrict assault weapons" or "we need to restrict magazine capacity" or "we need to expand background checks" do anything to tackle the real meat of the problem. HINT: they don't. The problem of gun violence is simply a sub-type of the problem of VIOLENCE. If we could figure out how to completely eliminate violence, we'd have done it by now. My suspicion is that we're asking for the police/government to do something that is impossible: keep all the bad people away from me. if only it were so simple.
- DanBC 11y ago
  You say NOBODY in caps, but this sub thread was started by me (strongly in favour of gun control) when I wondered why "has the intent to shoot many people, but fails" isn't counted anywhere. Elsewhere in the thread I question why people don't care about criminals who shoot and kill each other. And it's not just me. There have been many many campaigns to reduce gang violence that have wanted to ban guns. "NOBODY" is wrong.
  - Nrsolis 11y ago
    I meant the hyperbolic nobody as in "the vast majority of people that express an opinion on gun control but do nothing until it comes to their neighborhood." And here is the issue: you can't ban guns. Even if you do, it doesn't affect gun violence AT ALL. I can point to examples like Washington, DC, NYC, and Chicago as examples. All cities have had very strict gun control laws (and even knife control laws) and yet they haven't eliminated gun violence. In some cases, it actually increased. So this is a sociological problem that doesn't have a simple answer. Making "guns" the boogeyman is just another example of avoiding the problem by politicians. That's a real issue when it comes to restricting a fundamental right to bear arms. And yes, I said fundamental. The Constitution was designed to recognize and protect rights, not grant them. Those rights are natural rights given to men by virtue of their existence in the world, not their presence in any particular jurisdiction. It's a distinction that I wish more people were aware of.

Nrsolis 11y ago

And therein lies the rub: NOBODY on the gun-control side of things care much about the VAST majority of gun deaths; namely, gang-violence or drug-related shootings. By far, these are the largest component of murders by gun and yet the thing that really motivates Sally Housewife to get politically involved is a shooting involving "good people." MOST gun deaths are suicides. MOST gun murders are committed with handguns. Please explain to me how favorite talking-points like "we need to restrict assault weapons" or "we need to restrict magazine capacity" or "we need to expand background checks" do anything to tackle the real meat of the problem. HINT: they don't. The problem of gun violence is simply a sub-type of the problem of VIOLENCE. If we could figure out how to completely eliminate violence, we'd have done it by now. My suspicion is that we're asking for the police/government to do something that is impossible: keep all the bad people away from me. if only it were so simple.

DanBC 11y ago
You say NOBODY in caps, but this sub thread was started by me (strongly in favour of gun control) when I wondered why "has the intent to shoot many people, but fails" isn't counted anywhere. Elsewhere in the thread I question why people don't care about criminals who shoot and kill each other. And it's not just me. There have been many many campaigns to reduce gang violence that have wanted to ban guns. "NOBODY" is wrong.
- Nrsolis 11y ago
  I meant the hyperbolic nobody as in "the vast majority of people that express an opinion on gun control but do nothing until it comes to their neighborhood." And here is the issue: you can't ban guns. Even if you do, it doesn't affect gun violence AT ALL. I can point to examples like Washington, DC, NYC, and Chicago as examples. All cities have had very strict gun control laws (and even knife control laws) and yet they haven't eliminated gun violence. In some cases, it actually increased. So this is a sociological problem that doesn't have a simple answer. Making "guns" the boogeyman is just another example of avoiding the problem by politicians. That's a real issue when it comes to restricting a fundamental right to bear arms. And yes, I said fundamental. The Constitution was designed to recognize and protect rights, not grant them. Those rights are natural rights given to men by virtue of their existence in the world, not their presence in any particular jurisdiction. It's a distinction that I wish more people were aware of.