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Rock star and wide receivers don't get to anoint themselves. They can only achieve their goal if other people cooperate and give them that status. This guy did

by agarden 11y ago

Rock star and wide receivers don't get to anoint themselves. They can only achieve their goal if other people cooperate and give them that status. This guy did not require anyone's cooperation and his motivations were internal. Maybe he would not have followed through, but prior to discovery there wasn't much to stop him.

NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago
I'm honestly trying to understand your point of view, and coming up empty. Those misguided (or not) fools who think they can become rock stars often ignore the lack of cooperation. Even a few of the successful ones get where they are by ignoring the lack of anointment. It does not seem to be the requirement you make it out of... we live in a world of 7 billion people, after all, and the statistical noise alone is enough to give someone a fanbase of hundreds of thousands if they put in the effort and have a little luck. But, most teenage dumbasses that claim they'll be a rock star spend a little too much focus on drugs, and not nearly enough on the effort part. We don't believe them (or, at least, I don't believe them) not because it's impossible, but because they do not put in the work to back up their daydream fantasies. Why would the same not be true of a wannabe shooter? You've super-imposed your beliefs with the thinnest veneer of logic, but it isn't very convincing. Many people want to believe that these kids can be identified prior to massacres, because it would be comforting to live in such a world. But there is no way to do that. Jumping to the conclusion that his teenage obsession's paraphernalia indicates that he would have done this is silly. There's no way to know if there is ever any correlation between the two. Playing with fireworks (and even explosives) as a teenager is hardly unusual... I suspect this describes hundreds of thousands or even millions of them. If that were the case, then it does not correlate at all to future school shootings.
- nkurz 11y ago
  You are not understanding 'agarden'. He is not super-imposing his beliefs, he's stating the fact that LaDue had the almost certain capacity to enact his stated intent. By contrast, someone can 'want' to be a rock star, but even with the best application of effort they only have a small chance of achieving that goal. > Jumping to the conclusion that his teenage obsession's > paraphernalia indicates that he would have done this is > silly. There's no way to know if there is ever any > correlation between the two. I think you are confusing "correlation" with "certainty". I'd hope we agree that a teenager found with a storage locker full of explosives and an express desire to kill lots of people is more likely to be involved in mass violence than a teenager selected at random? This is a correlation. One can question how strong the correlation is, and whether there might be stronger correlations (what would these be?) but it is false to say that "There's no way to know if there is ever any correlation between the two."
- agarden 11y ago
  >We don't believe them (or, at least, I don't believe them) not because it's impossible, >but because they do not put in the work to back up their daydream fantasies. > >Why would the same not be true of a wannabe shooter? It is. I fully agree. And this guy had put in the work.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago
    He hadn't put in the work. April 29th, still hadn't set anything up to go through with it, when he was sure it should happen in April? Didn't have any of the main ingredients/components for his bombs? He hadn't put much work in at all. He was the garage band dufus who spent plenty of time drawing up styles for his tour bus, but none practicing the guitar.

by agarden 11y ago

NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago

I'm honestly trying to understand your point of view, and coming up empty. Those misguided (or not) fools who think they can become rock stars often ignore the lack of cooperation. Even a few of the successful ones get where they are by ignoring the lack of anointment. It does not seem to be the requirement you make it out of... we live in a world of 7 billion people, after all, and the statistical noise alone is enough to give someone a fanbase of hundreds of thousands if they put in the effort and have a little luck. But, most teenage dumbasses that claim they'll be a rock star spend a little too much focus on drugs, and not nearly enough on the effort part. We don't believe them (or, at least, I don't believe them) not because it's impossible, but because they do not put in the work to back up their daydream fantasies. Why would the same not be true of a wannabe shooter? You've super-imposed your beliefs with the thinnest veneer of logic, but it isn't very convincing. Many people want to believe that these kids can be identified prior to massacres, because it would be comforting to live in such a world. But there is no way to do that. Jumping to the conclusion that his teenage obsession's paraphernalia indicates that he would have done this is silly. There's no way to know if there is ever any correlation between the two. Playing with fireworks (and even explosives) as a teenager is hardly unusual... I suspect this describes hundreds of thousands or even millions of them. If that were the case, then it does not correlate at all to future school shootings.

nkurz 11y ago
You are not understanding 'agarden'. He is not super-imposing his beliefs, he's stating the fact that LaDue had the almost certain capacity to enact his stated intent. By contrast, someone can 'want' to be a rock star, but even with the best application of effort they only have a small chance of achieving that goal. > Jumping to the conclusion that his teenage obsession's > paraphernalia indicates that he would have done this is > silly. There's no way to know if there is ever any > correlation between the two. I think you are confusing "correlation" with "certainty". I'd hope we agree that a teenager found with a storage locker full of explosives and an express desire to kill lots of people is more likely to be involved in mass violence than a teenager selected at random? This is a correlation. One can question how strong the correlation is, and whether there might be stronger correlations (what would these be?) but it is false to say that "There's no way to know if there is ever any correlation between the two."
agarden 11y ago
>We don't believe them (or, at least, I don't believe them) not because it's impossible, >but because they do not put in the work to back up their daydream fantasies. > >Why would the same not be true of a wannabe shooter? It is. I fully agree. And this guy had put in the work.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago
  He hadn't put in the work. April 29th, still hadn't set anything up to go through with it, when he was sure it should happen in April? Didn't have any of the main ingredients/components for his bombs? He hadn't put much work in at all. He was the garage band dufus who spent plenty of time drawing up styles for his tour bus, but none practicing the guitar.