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tl;dr version - it's mostly about the portability, shortcomings of Windows as OS, and accompanying software (VS, TFS, IIS, MSSQL etc) being bloated. Zero critic

by ipozgaj 11y ago

tl;dr version - it's mostly about the portability, shortcomings of Windows as OS, and accompanying software (VS, TFS, IIS, MSSQL etc) being bloated. Zero critics about the .NET framework itself.

frugalmail 11y ago
I think that does a great disservice to the article by not acknowledging the commentary about the availability of quality OSS and the poor quality of the community/culture
- aggieben 11y ago
  Meh, not a great disservice.
crusso 11y ago
My takeaway from the article was the last sentence: And that's why I left the .NET Framework because it kept reasserting itself and wanting to be more than it was: an implementation detail.
jbigelow76 11y ago
It's interesting to see how many of the critiques the author cited in 2013 no longer apply to the .NET ecosystem. To name a few: * Git is now a first class VCS for use with Visual Studio * .NET development no longer tied to Visual Studio thanks to things like VS Code or OmniSharp with Submline * .NET development no longer tied to Windows, dev with a Mac or Linux using .NET core
- asdf1234 11y ago
  > .NET development no longer tied to Windows, dev with a Mac or Linux using .NET core .NET core hasn't seen an official release and there's still quite a bit of work to be done. Even with that, the overwhelming majority of .NET libraries don't work on OS X or Linux and it's going to take a significant amount of time to port just a small fraction of them. .NET core might turn out to be a great cross platform solution but it's nowhere near that right now.
- jonathanoliver 11y ago
  OP here. My concerns have been or are being addressed. We're still a ways off from having things solid on Windows and Linux. All things considered, I'm happy with Satya's leadership of Microsoft over the last few years.
  - wdmeldon 11y ago
    I only wonder how far these new attitudes will seep into the general .NET developer culture.
- s73v3r 11y ago
  .NET is still tied to Visual Studio. Neither of the other two alternatives, nor the Mac or Linux ports, are ready for prime time yet.

by ipozgaj 11y ago

tl;dr version - it's mostly about the portability, shortcomings of Windows as OS, and accompanying software (VS, TFS, IIS, MSSQL etc) being bloated. Zero critics about the .NET framework itself.

frugalmail 11y ago

I think that does a great disservice to the article by not acknowledging the commentary about the availability of quality OSS and the poor quality of the community/culture

aggieben 11y ago
Meh, not a great disservice.

crusso 11y ago

My takeaway from the article was the last sentence: And that's why I left the .NET Framework because it kept reasserting itself and wanting to be more than it was: an implementation detail.

jbigelow76 11y ago

It's interesting to see how many of the critiques the author cited in 2013 no longer apply to the .NET ecosystem. To name a few: * Git is now a first class VCS for use with Visual Studio * .NET development no longer tied to Visual Studio thanks to things like VS Code or OmniSharp with Submline * .NET development no longer tied to Windows, dev with a Mac or Linux using .NET core

asdf1234 11y ago
> .NET development no longer tied to Windows, dev with a Mac or Linux using .NET core .NET core hasn't seen an official release and there's still quite a bit of work to be done. Even with that, the overwhelming majority of .NET libraries don't work on OS X or Linux and it's going to take a significant amount of time to port just a small fraction of them. .NET core might turn out to be a great cross platform solution but it's nowhere near that right now.
jonathanoliver 11y ago
OP here. My concerns have been or are being addressed. We're still a ways off from having things solid on Windows and Linux. All things considered, I'm happy with Satya's leadership of Microsoft over the last few years.
- wdmeldon 11y ago
  I only wonder how far these new attitudes will seep into the general .NET developer culture.
s73v3r 11y ago
.NET is still tied to Visual Studio. Neither of the other two alternatives, nor the Mac or Linux ports, are ready for prime time yet.