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Scroll down to the mouse gestures and the first thing you see is someone slowly demonstrating the unbelievable feature of a right click on a mouse. With the ind

by buster 11y ago

Scroll down to the mouse gestures and the first thing you see is someone slowly demonstrating the unbelievable feature of a right click on a mouse. With the index finger. Awesome. Edit: There it is: https://www.apple.com/media/us/accessories/2015/e137bcd8-6875-11e5-9d70-feff819cdc9f/magic_mouse/click/split_files/large/large_1.split.mp4 https://www.apple.com/media/us/accessories/2015/e137bcd8-687... I could watch this masterpiece all day.

simonh 11y ago
I got a Magic Mouse with my last Mac, with the one-piece top shell that rocks left and right depending if you want to left or right click. The very first game I tried with it was Borderlands, but you need to hold down the right-click button to aim and while doing so left-click to shoot. No can do. I love Macs and really appreciate the attention to detail Apple put into all their products. Except mice. I'd take the cheapest mouse off Amazon over any of the ones from Apple any day of the week.
- stephenr 11y ago
  The Magic mouse surface doesn't "rock left and right". The whole piece clicks, regardless of where you press. What differs is that it is a multi-touch surface and identifies where your finger is at the time you click (or even tap, if you have that enabled). There is a built-in option in OSX to enable "Secondary click" (aka Right Click, but it can also be swapped to be triggered by a left-side click for Left-Handed users) on a Magic Mouse. If a piece of third-party software somehow doesn't work with the standard OS pointer system, it sounds like you should be asking them why their software is so terrible.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    And the answer is going to be, "Because it's a port from Windows, and the Mac's small user base doesn't justify the effort needed to redo the control scheme." Regardless of whether you find that answer to be acceptable, that's what it will be, and the alternative is not to have it available on the Mac at all.
    - wlesieutre 11y ago
      Not even the Mac's small user base. Out of the number of Mac users, take the very small fraction that play first person shooters, and then take the very very small fraction of those that do it with Apple's mice. 99% of that market is going to have something from Razer, Logitech, Corsair, etc. The other five people can bind zoom to their keyboard.
  - joosters 11y ago
    That's unfair on third party software. Pressing both mouse buttons is common in many situations, and is just something that the magic mouse does not make easy to support (speaking as a long-time magic mouse user btw) The hardware is actually capable of this. The surface of the mouse is fully multi-touch, it can distinguish 3-4 independent touches, so it could easily support left + right clicks at once. However, that 'gesture' is not one offered by the software. BTW, a great program to visualize the touch capabilities of the mouse is downloadable here: http://www.makeitgo.ws/articles/fingermgmt/ http://www.makeitgo.ws/articles/fingermgmt/
  - delinka 11y ago
    It's definitely the mouse implementation. The detection mechanics aren't compatible with most of the "gestures" them that gamers require. It is indeed better to avoid Apple's mice and trackpads for gaming.
  - simonh 11y ago
    >If a piece of third-party software somehow doesn't work with the standard OS pointer system... The previous white plastic Magic Mouse did allow simultaneous left and right clicks, the limitation is specific to this generation of the design, so that argument really isn't going t get you anywhere.
- wodenokoto 11y ago
  For what it's designed for it is a really good mouse. Scrolling, navigating OSX, nothing comes close. It is however not a gaming mouse. I'd gladly trade you a $10 mouse for your Magic Mouse.
panglott 11y ago
You didn't like side-swiping or multi-touch tapping on a mouse with no buttons?
stephenr 11y ago
I don't understand how people on a site called HackerNews still somehow aren't aware of what features apple products have, while still feeling obligated to post comments based on their own assumed/misinformed views about the features they believe aren't there. Every mouse Apple have shipped for the last decade has supported "Secondary Click", and honestly after using a multitouch mouse for about the last 4 years, I don't understand how anyone would use anything else.
- coldpie 11y ago
  I've got one of those button-less trackpads on my work Mac laptop. I can't fucking stand it. The clicking just kinda gradually stops working about halfway up, like the bottom half is clickable and then it slowly fades to a non-clickable surface as you move up. So you have to keep track of where your finger is to know if you can click. Click-and-drag when you realise you've run out of trackpad space to keep dragging is a mind-bending experience. What's fucking wrong with buttons?
  - stephenr 11y ago
    The trackpads on Apple laptops prior to the new force touch models are physically clickable only at the bottom because the top edge is basically fixed in place (as the hinge for the whole thing). I don't see how this is any worse than separate buttons - you'd still have the same physically clickable area then (the bottom bit) but you'd have less space to drag the cursor around. Seriously though, turn on tap-to-click. Never worry about physically clicking it again. > What's fucking wrong with buttons? A multi-touch surface such as the MagicMouse or Trackpad on a recent Apple laptop is so ridiculously more customisable than a mere one or two or even three physical buttons + regular trackpad. Taps, with 1-4 fingers. Swipes in 4 directions with 1-4 fingers. Swipe from the sides. Pinch/Spread with 2 fingers. Pinch/Spread with thumb and several fingers. Rotate. Seriously, this is just what's available out of the box with OS X, before you look at third-party software to track even more gestures on touch (trackpad/mouse) surfaces. Edit: clarified that pre-force-touch trackpads are top-hinged.
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mentos 11y ago
As a 10 year old windows kid I was so turned off by having to use Macs in school because they lacked a right click feature. I wonder how many windows users this cost them.
- Killswitch 11y ago
  All the Windows users who aren't capable of comprehending or understanding how the stuff they are using works.
  - IkmoIkmo 11y ago
    I remember visiting the brother of my friend quite a few years ago, he had a big iMac in his living room and asked me to put on some music. So I hopped over and was dumbfounded on how to right click. So I asked my friend and he basically said 'there is no right click' (note, both of them were mac users, I wasn't), and then I said surely there must be a right click!? Then he asked his brother and he was like 'don't really know, there's a key combination or something you can press I think'. Anyway I put on the music and thought for years macs had no right click and never bothered to investigate further. I never had Apple money as a teenager and never used Macs, and given both of them had for years I thought they must've known. I'd been in the back of my mind ever since, hesistant to even consider switching to OS X. Until my early 20s when I needed a mac for work, looked into it and right clicked on my mac ever since. I wouldn't dare put a number on the amount of users they missed out on, but I'd likely have switched a few years earlier. That, the price positioning and the minor hassle around office as a student were the three biggest things preventing it. The first ended up being totally false, the other two became less important as I stopped being a student and started a career.
    - Killswitch 11y ago
      As a Windows user for 10+ years before going to Mac, I had always heard people make fun of Mac for having no right click, and thought it was possible. But then I used a Mac and instinctively right clicked because that's what I was used to. Low and behold, right click worked. If you don't investigate yourself, that's your problem.

by buster 11y ago

simonh 11y ago

I got a Magic Mouse with my last Mac, with the one-piece top shell that rocks left and right depending if you want to left or right click. The very first game I tried with it was Borderlands, but you need to hold down the right-click button to aim and while doing so left-click to shoot. No can do. I love Macs and really appreciate the attention to detail Apple put into all their products. Except mice. I'd take the cheapest mouse off Amazon over any of the ones from Apple any day of the week.

stephenr 11y ago
The Magic mouse surface doesn't "rock left and right". The whole piece clicks, regardless of where you press. What differs is that it is a multi-touch surface and identifies where your finger is at the time you click (or even tap, if you have that enabled). There is a built-in option in OSX to enable "Secondary click" (aka Right Click, but it can also be swapped to be triggered by a left-side click for Left-Handed users) on a Magic Mouse. If a piece of third-party software somehow doesn't work with the standard OS pointer system, it sounds like you should be asking them why their software is so terrible.
- mikeash 11y ago
  And the answer is going to be, "Because it's a port from Windows, and the Mac's small user base doesn't justify the effort needed to redo the control scheme." Regardless of whether you find that answer to be acceptable, that's what it will be, and the alternative is not to have it available on the Mac at all.
  - wlesieutre 11y ago
    Not even the Mac's small user base. Out of the number of Mac users, take the very small fraction that play first person shooters, and then take the very very small fraction of those that do it with Apple's mice. 99% of that market is going to have something from Razer, Logitech, Corsair, etc. The other five people can bind zoom to their keyboard.
- joosters 11y ago
  That's unfair on third party software. Pressing both mouse buttons is common in many situations, and is just something that the magic mouse does not make easy to support (speaking as a long-time magic mouse user btw) The hardware is actually capable of this. The surface of the mouse is fully multi-touch, it can distinguish 3-4 independent touches, so it could easily support left + right clicks at once. However, that 'gesture' is not one offered by the software. BTW, a great program to visualize the touch capabilities of the mouse is downloadable here: http://www.makeitgo.ws/articles/fingermgmt/ http://www.makeitgo.ws/articles/fingermgmt/
- delinka 11y ago
  It's definitely the mouse implementation. The detection mechanics aren't compatible with most of the "gestures" them that gamers require. It is indeed better to avoid Apple's mice and trackpads for gaming.
- simonh 11y ago
  >If a piece of third-party software somehow doesn't work with the standard OS pointer system... The previous white plastic Magic Mouse did allow simultaneous left and right clicks, the limitation is specific to this generation of the design, so that argument really isn't going t get you anywhere.
wodenokoto 11y ago
For what it's designed for it is a really good mouse. Scrolling, navigating OSX, nothing comes close. It is however not a gaming mouse. I'd gladly trade you a $10 mouse for your Magic Mouse.

panglott 11y ago

You didn't like side-swiping or multi-touch tapping on a mouse with no buttons?

stephenr 11y ago

I don't understand how people on a site called HackerNews still somehow aren't aware of what features apple products have, while still feeling obligated to post comments based on their own assumed/misinformed views about the features they believe aren't there. Every mouse Apple have shipped for the last decade has supported "Secondary Click", and honestly after using a multitouch mouse for about the last 4 years, I don't understand how anyone would use anything else.

coldpie 11y ago
I've got one of those button-less trackpads on my work Mac laptop. I can't fucking stand it. The clicking just kinda gradually stops working about halfway up, like the bottom half is clickable and then it slowly fades to a non-clickable surface as you move up. So you have to keep track of where your finger is to know if you can click. Click-and-drag when you realise you've run out of trackpad space to keep dragging is a mind-bending experience. What's fucking wrong with buttons?
- stephenr 11y ago
  The trackpads on Apple laptops prior to the new force touch models are physically clickable only at the bottom because the top edge is basically fixed in place (as the hinge for the whole thing). I don't see how this is any worse than separate buttons - you'd still have the same physically clickable area then (the bottom bit) but you'd have less space to drag the cursor around. Seriously though, turn on tap-to-click. Never worry about physically clicking it again. > What's fucking wrong with buttons? A multi-touch surface such as the MagicMouse or Trackpad on a recent Apple laptop is so ridiculously more customisable than a mere one or two or even three physical buttons + regular trackpad. Taps, with 1-4 fingers. Swipes in 4 directions with 1-4 fingers. Swipe from the sides. Pinch/Spread with 2 fingers. Pinch/Spread with thumb and several fingers. Rotate. Seriously, this is just what's available out of the box with OS X, before you look at third-party software to track even more gestures on touch (trackpad/mouse) surfaces. Edit: clarified that pre-force-touch trackpads are top-hinged.
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mentos 11y ago

As a 10 year old windows kid I was so turned off by having to use Macs in school because they lacked a right click feature. I wonder how many windows users this cost them.

Killswitch 11y ago
All the Windows users who aren't capable of comprehending or understanding how the stuff they are using works.
- IkmoIkmo 11y ago
  I remember visiting the brother of my friend quite a few years ago, he had a big iMac in his living room and asked me to put on some music. So I hopped over and was dumbfounded on how to right click. So I asked my friend and he basically said 'there is no right click' (note, both of them were mac users, I wasn't), and then I said surely there must be a right click!? Then he asked his brother and he was like 'don't really know, there's a key combination or something you can press I think'. Anyway I put on the music and thought for years macs had no right click and never bothered to investigate further. I never had Apple money as a teenager and never used Macs, and given both of them had for years I thought they must've known. I'd been in the back of my mind ever since, hesistant to even consider switching to OS X. Until my early 20s when I needed a mac for work, looked into it and right clicked on my mac ever since. I wouldn't dare put a number on the amount of users they missed out on, but I'd likely have switched a few years earlier. That, the price positioning and the minor hassle around office as a student were the three biggest things preventing it. The first ended up being totally false, the other two became less important as I stopped being a student and started a career.
  - Killswitch 11y ago
    As a Windows user for 10+ years before going to Mac, I had always heard people make fun of Mac for having no right click, and thought it was possible. But then I used a Mac and instinctively right clicked because that's what I was used to. Low and behold, right click worked. If you don't investigate yourself, that's your problem.