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Maybe the guy just wanted to be punched in the face? Because jokes justify violence?
by a3voices 11y ago
Maybe the guy just wanted to be punched in the face?
Because jokes justify violence?
- ossreality 11y agoAre you kidding me here? You've already chimed in with your HIGHLY ORIGINAL south park meme reference... ... and now you're just going to happily claim that harassing someone and asking them how much they'd take for their fucking daughter is a good-faith joke? What planet did y'all grow up on?
- jsmeaton 11y agoTouch the fire and get burned. Imply someones daughter is a prostitute to them and I think a violent reaction might not be that uncommon.
- a3voices 11y agoWell some people use that logic to justify killing cartoonists who depict Mohammed.
- deciplex 11y agoYou can use modus ponens to justify all kinds of weird shit. What's your point?
- a3voices 11y agoMy point is that being offended isn't a valid reason to use violence against someone. If a stranger says something non-threatening and you react by hitting him, you're a danger to the public and should possibly be arrested.
- ohnomrbill 11y agoTo a3voices: Violence occurs along a spectrum. Punching != trying to kill, in all cases.
- korzun 11y agoGoing to prison for assault over something that somebody said (maybe they are on medication or have some sort of illness/generally not around people) is also pretty un-cool. You just tell them not to do that again. 'I would have' stories on the internet are pretty lame too.
- tptacek 11y agoReaders: you'll find a variant of this exact comment in a lot of threads about harassment on HN, for what it's worth. Someone says "I'm glad I wasn't there to witness <loved one> being harassed" and, like clockwork, this response. I'm pretty sure it's in some MRA troll playbook somewhere.
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- coldtea 11y agoOr, you know, people genuiunly believing that just because stress or harm was caused to your <loved one >, it still doesn't justify violence. I'm not sure by what logic the "if I was there to witness my <loved one > being harassed I've have beaten them up" is supposed to be beyond critique...
- tptacek 11y agoReaders: look at this train wreck of a thread and notice how effective the tactic was. Notice how little the subthread has to do not only with the original story --- it's disconnection to the story is bad enough --- but to the actual comment it responds to, which doesn't even mention violence. Like I said: I'm sincerely suspect this is in an actual playbook of MRA trolling techniques.
- sarciszewski 11y agoIf they really need a playbook... an allegation I don't doubt for an instant... that's really kind of pathetic don't you think? :P
- sanoli 11y agoSorry, but: 1. Doesn't sound like a joke, note even close. 2. If it happened to my daughter and I was there to witness, I'd have to control myself not to punch the asshole in the face too. Especially if he was one of those dork-looking too-coward-to-man-up-and-be-normal nerds. Oh, and that was a joke, wasn't it obvious?
- zxcvcxz 11y agoPeople think it's a joke because shows like south park and family guy have normalized the behavior. We really need to ban free speech and strictly regulate all public speech to make sure no one says anything "wrong".
- chiaro 11y agoYou may think you're being clever false flagging like this but you actually have to understand a position before you can parody it.
- zxcvcxz 11y agoOh I understand it. People aren't sensitive to other cultures, so they need to be re-educated. We've seen from sites like reddit and 4chan that "freedom" only leads to degeneracy. Those that say things that are inappropriate should be censored because they create a culture of abuse. The 1st, and 4th amendments to the constitution of the US need to be repealed so we can shape and mold a non-abusive society.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoFeel free to take your "solution" to some other country.
- dllthomas 11y ago"Doesn't sound like a joke, note even close." It sounds very much like a very specific joke. Blues Brothers has a scene where Belushi is being obnoxious and asks the father in family of diners at a neighboring table "How much for the little girl? How much for the women?" Of course, the joke there is precisely that it's so outrageous and unacceptable.
- PavlovsCat 11y agoEasy, just punch him in the face, then say it was just a joke. Fair is fair, right?
- rabbyte 11y agoImplying that the presence of a woman at a tech conference is unexpected then insinuating they are cheap sexual property while addressing them in the third person is at the very fucking essence of violence. Jokes don't justify violence, oppression does.
- drdeca 11y agoIdk about a punch to the face specifically (that sounds likely to cause injury) but a small pain inflicted as retaliation for being wronged does not really seem all that terrible to me? Especially if there is a social convention for how it is to work. Of course, the amount of pain would have to be significantly less of an offense than what it is prompting it. But when pain is sufficiently small, I think the meaning behind the pain is more important than the actual pain.
- coldtea 11y ago>Especially if there is a social convention for how it is to work. So, like lynching blacks back in the day? Or beating your kids? "Social convention" or not who said violence is justified in a non-violent setting?
- tptacek 11y agoIt's like you read the Wikipedia article on "tu quoque" and decided to use it as a playbook to run on this thread.
- drdeca 11y agoThe social convention I was thinking of would be more a formalization of how things would work when there is a striking. Not as a "who is it ok to strike". So, kind of like challenging someone to a duel, instead of someone trying to harm someone, they would only be trying to inflict relatively small, and short-lived pain. Something like , one announces that one intends to strike the other person, allowing them the chance to object, explains that if they cannot agree on whether they may strike the person, that they will not object to being struck in response with a proportional amount, adjusted for different levels of pain tolerance, and will not strike further in response to being struck in response. Then if the person does not object, for example, then they strike once (with not excessive force), and wait to allow the other person to strike them (with proportional force) if they so choose. There is not currently any social convention like this, but provided that the force used and amount of pain are small enough, and not excessively frequent, and people respond to objections reasonably, it doesn't seem like it would be that bad if there was? Pushing my fingernail against my other finger causes pain, but it does not cause suffering. When pains are small enough, I think the meaning/interpretation of the pain is more significant than the pain, so the actual pain is mostly irrelevant, except in that it stands for what it does.