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Can a New School Churn Out Developers Faster?

1 points by SunTzu55 11y ago

dalke 11y ago
> The U.S. Bureau of Labor estimates that, by 2020, there will be some 1.4 million open software engineering jobs and only 400,000 computer-science students to fill them. Every single article on this new school includes that blurb. It's almost like they started with and tweaked the same press release. I say the blurb is wrong to the point of deceit. 1) These are not 1.4 million "software engineering jobs", but "computing professions", which includes jobs other than software engineering. (Eg, network engineers.) 2) People in these jobs already include a large number of people who don't have a CS degree, which means that the jobs do not require a CS degree but can include related degrees. (Eg, electrical engineering.) 3) By 2020 there will be about 3.9 million people with a CS or related degree that can fill those 1.4 million jobs. Links: http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-stem-labor-shortages-microsoft-report-distorts/ http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-stem-labor-shortages-mi... https://www.mainstreet.com/article/stem-jobs-take-twice-long-fill-pay-really-better-longterm/page/2 https://www.mainstreet.com/article/stem-jobs-take-twice-long... .
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > People in these jobs already include a large number of people who don't have a CS degree, which means that the jobs do not require a CS degree but can include related degrees. (Eg, electrical engineering.) Or not so related degrees: I work in a "computing professions" job (in fact, a programming job), and the only degree I have is in Political Science. While that's perhaps further afield than most, I've known lots of people with degrees that weren't particularly computing related working in computing related fields. This seems especially common with people whose degrees are in the field to which computing is being applied rather than a computing-related field, but sometimes there is no relationship at all.
  - dalke 11y ago
    Oh, I agree. Table 1 in the first link shows that 31% of computer and information science workers do not have a science or engineering degree. This school exists specifically to train people for computer-related position, which is why I focused on the other ways that people get formal training that leads to a computer-related position.

1 points by SunTzu55 11y ago

dalke 11y ago

> The U.S. Bureau of Labor estimates that, by 2020, there will be some 1.4 million open software engineering jobs and only 400,000 computer-science students to fill them. Every single article on this new school includes that blurb. It's almost like they started with and tweaked the same press release. I say the blurb is wrong to the point of deceit. 1) These are not 1.4 million "software engineering jobs", but "computing professions", which includes jobs other than software engineering. (Eg, network engineers.) 2) People in these jobs already include a large number of people who don't have a CS degree, which means that the jobs do not require a CS degree but can include related degrees. (Eg, electrical engineering.) 3) By 2020 there will be about 3.9 million people with a CS or related degree that can fill those 1.4 million jobs. Links: http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-stem-labor-shortages-microsoft-report-distorts/ http://www.epi.org/publication/pm195-stem-labor-shortages-mi... https://www.mainstreet.com/article/stem-jobs-take-twice-long-fill-pay-really-better-longterm/page/2 https://www.mainstreet.com/article/stem-jobs-take-twice-long... .

dragonwriter 11y ago
> People in these jobs already include a large number of people who don't have a CS degree, which means that the jobs do not require a CS degree but can include related degrees. (Eg, electrical engineering.) Or not so related degrees: I work in a "computing professions" job (in fact, a programming job), and the only degree I have is in Political Science. While that's perhaps further afield than most, I've known lots of people with degrees that weren't particularly computing related working in computing related fields. This seems especially common with people whose degrees are in the field to which computing is being applied rather than a computing-related field, but sometimes there is no relationship at all.
- dalke 11y ago
  Oh, I agree. Table 1 in the first link shows that 31% of computer and information science workers do not have a science or engineering degree. This school exists specifically to train people for computer-related position, which is why I focused on the other ways that people get formal training that leads to a computer-related position.