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The future isn't flash Yeah, well the future also isn't here yet. Flash still has much relevance for any web-surfing focused product shipping today.

by brk 17y ago

simonw 17y ago
Yes it is, it's just not yet evenly distributed.
- josefresco 17y ago
  So that would mean that the 'evenly distributed' future isn't here yet? Wouldn't that still make it the future? Oh wait my head asploded.
  - axod 17y ago
    The point is sites are already using HTML video, websockets, canvas, etc etc etc. The future is now for websites and browsers that support it.
- boucher 17y ago
  It really isn't. Mainstream sites still play video with Flash, and I doubt that is going to change in 2010. But, we'll see.
  - tewks 17y ago
    Most people (Youtube) use flash as a wrapper around h.264; the other codecs supported are pretty terrible.
- wensing 17y ago
  The challenge comes when a business must make the majority of its revenue off those that haven't yet received the future. Still supporting IE6, aren't we?
wmeredith 17y ago
I'm not sure about this. Or I should say I am sure this is wrong for me and I'm not sure about anyone else. I do about 1/3 of my internet surfing on my iPhone, at least an hour or two a day and I rarely miss the Flash. In fact, I'd say I'm actually glad it's not there. Most of my major online annoyances are Flash powered.
roc 17y ago
Except perhaps for any high profile Apple device attached to the App Store (the case in question). Almost every mainstream site has verified mobile Webkit compatibility and/or dedicated applications. The group of people who still need Flash in that scenario is small enough that leaving it out wouldn't likely have a measurable effect on adoption. For a web product from a company that can't command as much market attention, shipping without Flash might well be a death knell. But Apple's different. The App Store is different.
weaties 17y ago
I run click2flash, and I rarely click2flash. Caveats, I don't do casual games, and I don't watch a lot of videos off of different sites.

The future isn't flash Yeah, well the future also isn't here yet. Flash still has much relevance for any web-surfing focused product shipping today.

by brk 17y ago

The future isn't flash Yeah, well the future also isn't here yet. Flash still has much relevance for any web-surfing focused product shipping today.

simonw 17y ago

Yes it is, it's just not yet evenly distributed.

josefresco 17y ago
So that would mean that the 'evenly distributed' future isn't here yet? Wouldn't that still make it the future? Oh wait my head asploded.
- axod 17y ago
  The point is sites are already using HTML video, websockets, canvas, etc etc etc. The future is now for websites and browsers that support it.
boucher 17y ago
It really isn't. Mainstream sites still play video with Flash, and I doubt that is going to change in 2010. But, we'll see.
- tewks 17y ago
  Most people (Youtube) use flash as a wrapper around h.264; the other codecs supported are pretty terrible.
wensing 17y ago
The challenge comes when a business must make the majority of its revenue off those that haven't yet received the future. Still supporting IE6, aren't we?

wmeredith 17y ago

I'm not sure about this. Or I should say I am sure this is wrong for me and I'm not sure about anyone else. I do about 1/3 of my internet surfing on my iPhone, at least an hour or two a day and I rarely miss the Flash. In fact, I'd say I'm actually glad it's not there. Most of my major online annoyances are Flash powered.

roc 17y ago

Except perhaps for any high profile Apple device attached to the App Store (the case in question). Almost every mainstream site has verified mobile Webkit compatibility and/or dedicated applications. The group of people who still need Flash in that scenario is small enough that leaving it out wouldn't likely have a measurable effect on adoption. For a web product from a company that can't command as much market attention, shipping without Flash might well be a death knell. But Apple's different. The App Store is different.

weaties 17y ago

I run click2flash, and I rarely click2flash. Caveats, I don't do casual games, and I don't watch a lot of videos off of different sites.