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Why don't we just move everyone out of SF and close it. If you're going to fight over it, we'll just take it away.

samstave 11y ago
>But moooom! The poor started it! We should have an open competition for ideas to fix the disconnect between all public transport; Bart and Caltrain don't connect and don't schedule together. Amtrak and Bart and Caltrain don't connect. Muni and Bart connect physically but their schedules suck (muni schedules 6 consecutive inbound trains to all dump off and go off line at the same time in the peak of rush hour backing up people in the station) Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount, so you may take muni for five minutes and lose your "85 remaining minutes of paid travel time" Bike support on all systems is abhorrent - even on Caltrain the bike cars often fill up completely leaving many bikers awaiting another train, even though there is technically space on the full ones. Bart has many stretches of track where they can only drive and very slow speeds, as does Caltrain, muni as well... All agencies operate in a seemingly uncooperative manner, both with each other and their riders. (Bart employees are some of the rudest, least connected people I've encountered. Telling the Bart station agent about sanitary issues I. The elevator and escalators replies with "it's not my job") The list goes on and on
- thrownaway2424 11y ago
  > Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount, so you may take muni for five minutes and lose your "85 remaining minutes of paid travel time" Actually you get $0.50 off the cash fare if you transfer from BART to Muni, and on certain transfers (e.g. from BART to Muni 14L in Daly City) you pay nothing.
  - samstave 11y ago
    I've never once seen this happen on my clipper card loaded with "cash value"
    - thrownaway2424 11y ago
      Do you have a youth pass? I get the discount every time. It reads out right on the screen when I tag onto a Muni bus or streetcar.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Bart and Caltrain don't connect and don't schedule together. Not sure about scheduling, but BART and Caltrain they connect at the Millbrae Transit Center. > Amtrak and Bart and Caltrain don't connect. As noted above, BART and Caltrain do connect. Amtrak and BART connect at the Richmond and Oakland Coliseum stations. Amtrak and Caltrain connect at San Jose Diridon Station (which is planned to also get BART service with the Silicon Valley BART extension.) BART, Caltrain, Muni, and eventually California High Speed Rail -- among other transit systems -- are all planned to connect at the new Transbay Transit Center in SF, as well. > Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount Untrue; BART to Muni transfers have a discount (or, in some cases, are free): https://www.clippercard.com/ClipperWeb/muni/fares.do https://www.clippercard.com/ClipperWeb/muni/fares.do
  - samstave 11y ago
    I dont find those connections to be practical. Further they are scheduled very poorly. If you take Bart to Millbrea, the logistics of getting from Bart to the train can at times be difficult to make. The scheduling is that Bart will arrive either two minutes too late - or twenty minutes early... Then, you even run the risk of the bike car being full if you're attempting to get the <9AM train... Overall, to get to Mountainview by 10AM from Alameda on public transport I'd have to leave my house at 6:30AM So - while achievable - the experience is piss-poor. Ill have to look at the transfer discounts - as I had not noticed them ever hitting my card as I have to take Munit to bart, then bart to work...
thedevil 11y ago
If there was YC best comment ever award, I would nominate this.
- JustSomeNobody 11y ago
  Thanks! I was worried because it's not really up to HN standards. However, I'm just so tired of all the bickering about SF.

>But moooom! The poor started it! We should have an open competition for ideas to fix the disconnect between all public transport; Bart and Caltrain don't connect and don't schedule together. Amtrak and Bart and Caltrain don't connect. Muni and Bart connect physically but their schedules suck (muni schedules 6 consecutive inbound trains to all dump off and go off line at the same time in the peak of rush hour backing up people in the station) Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount, so you may take muni for five minutes and lose your "85 remaining minutes of paid travel time" Bike support on all systems is abhorrent - even on Caltrain the bike cars often fill up completely leaving many bikers awaiting another train, even though there is technically space on the full ones. Bart has many stretches of track where they can only drive and very slow speeds, as does Caltrain, muni as well... All agencies operate in a seemingly uncooperative manner, both with each other and their riders. (Bart employees are some of the rudest, least connected people I've encountered. Telling the Bart station agent about sanitary issues I. The elevator and escalators replies with "it's not my job") The list goes on and on

thrownaway2424 11y ago
> Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount, so you may take muni for five minutes and lose your "85 remaining minutes of paid travel time" Actually you get $0.50 off the cash fare if you transfer from BART to Muni, and on certain transfers (e.g. from BART to Muni 14L in Daly City) you pay nothing.
- samstave 11y ago
  I've never once seen this happen on my clipper card loaded with "cash value"
  - thrownaway2424 11y ago
    Do you have a youth pass? I get the discount every time. It reads out right on the screen when I tag onto a Muni bus or streetcar.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> Bart and Caltrain don't connect and don't schedule together. Not sure about scheduling, but BART and Caltrain they connect at the Millbrae Transit Center. > Amtrak and Bart and Caltrain don't connect. As noted above, BART and Caltrain do connect. Amtrak and BART connect at the Richmond and Oakland Coliseum stations. Amtrak and Caltrain connect at San Jose Diridon Station (which is planned to also get BART service with the Silicon Valley BART extension.) BART, Caltrain, Muni, and eventually California High Speed Rail -- among other transit systems -- are all planned to connect at the new Transbay Transit Center in SF, as well. > Tickets between Bart and muni have no discount Untrue; BART to Muni transfers have a discount (or, in some cases, are free): https://www.clippercard.com/ClipperWeb/muni/fares.do https://www.clippercard.com/ClipperWeb/muni/fares.do
- samstave 11y ago
  I dont find those connections to be practical. Further they are scheduled very poorly. If you take Bart to Millbrea, the logistics of getting from Bart to the train can at times be difficult to make. The scheduling is that Bart will arrive either two minutes too late - or twenty minutes early... Then, you even run the risk of the bike car being full if you're attempting to get the <9AM train... Overall, to get to Mountainview by 10AM from Alameda on public transport I'd have to leave my house at 6:30AM So - while achievable - the experience is piss-poor. Ill have to look at the transfer discounts - as I had not noticed them ever hitting my card as I have to take Munit to bart, then bart to work...

thedevil 11y ago

If there was YC best comment ever award, I would nominate this.

JustSomeNobody 11y ago
Thanks! I was worried because it's not really up to HN standards. However, I'm just so tired of all the bickering about SF.