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The problem with arm-based linux systems is that it's not that easy for casual hackers to cross-compile programs but this is essential when using linux. So "nor

by xtho 17y ago

The problem with arm-based linux systems is that it's not that easy for casual hackers to cross-compile programs but this is essential when using linux. So "normal" users who don't develop for that device and don't have the proper tool chains set up are either limited to the packages the distributor provides or they have to compile the software on that underpowered device (which for older people has the advantage that it makes you somehow feel young again). The user experience of linux on an arm-based device cannot be compared with that on a x86-based device.

wendroid 17y ago
Agreed, the awful Linux build process and the world of #ifdef programming is anachronistic. Plan9 has cross platform debugging, let alone compiling (which is extremely trivial "conf=ARM9 mk") debugging : import remote /proc /proc echo stop > /proc/$apid/ctl # if you want it stopped acid $apid # the debugger where remote is plan9 running on one of the 11 supported architectures http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/acid http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/acid
- rbanffy 17y ago
  Plan9 had a whole lot of interesting things. Unfortunately for me, it has no Django, Emacs, Firefox and OpenOffice.
  - wendroid 17y ago
    And your computer has no Qemu or vmware player ? Can it run the vx32 sandbox version http://swtch.com/9vx/ http://swtch.com/9vx/ Or even just the userland tools as Unix programs http://swtch.com/plan9port/ http://swtch.com/plan9port/ hmm, odd those URIs aren't responding, which is unusual, give it a while
    - wendroid 17y ago
      I mailed Russ and he says no eta, they are probably in a cupboard in MIT
      - wendroid 17y ago
        They are up again now
    - rbanffy 17y ago
      "And your computer has no Qemu or vmware player ?" I prefer VirtualBox, but running Plan9 inside a VM takes all the fun out of it.
      - wendroid 17y ago
        I should have also said that Plan9 runs Qemu in the Linux emulator. We've done the usual Plan9 running in Qemu running in LinuxEmu running on native Plan9. But come on, which way do you want to have it. Castigating because of lack of certain apps. BTW if Django is pure Python then it should run just fine, we have native Python. Emacs, hmm blegh. FF and OO well ok, no native. That's why I have multiple comps.

by xtho 17y ago

wendroid 17y ago

Agreed, the awful Linux build process and the world of #ifdef programming is anachronistic. Plan9 has cross platform debugging, let alone compiling (which is extremely trivial "conf=ARM9 mk") debugging : import remote /proc /proc echo stop > /proc/$apid/ctl # if you want it stopped acid $apid # the debugger where remote is plan9 running on one of the 11 supported architectures http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/acid http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/1/acid

rbanffy 17y ago
Plan9 had a whole lot of interesting things. Unfortunately for me, it has no Django, Emacs, Firefox and OpenOffice.
- wendroid 17y ago
  And your computer has no Qemu or vmware player ? Can it run the vx32 sandbox version http://swtch.com/9vx/ http://swtch.com/9vx/ Or even just the userland tools as Unix programs http://swtch.com/plan9port/ http://swtch.com/plan9port/ hmm, odd those URIs aren't responding, which is unusual, give it a while
  - wendroid 17y ago
    I mailed Russ and he says no eta, they are probably in a cupboard in MIT
    - wendroid 17y ago
      They are up again now
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    "And your computer has no Qemu or vmware player ?" I prefer VirtualBox, but running Plan9 inside a VM takes all the fun out of it.
    - wendroid 17y ago
      I should have also said that Plan9 runs Qemu in the Linux emulator. We've done the usual Plan9 running in Qemu running in LinuxEmu running on native Plan9. But come on, which way do you want to have it. Castigating because of lack of certain apps. BTW if Django is pure Python then it should run just fine, we have native Python. Emacs, hmm blegh. FF and OO well ok, no native. That's why I have multiple comps.