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Fixed vs growth mindset is BS. It completely misses the point. Find a way to play with whatever it is that you want to learn. The more fun you have, the more yo

Fixed vs growth mindset is BS. It completely misses the point. Find a way to play with whatever it is that you want to learn. The more fun you have, the more you'll almost-magically get better at it. No need to have personal pep talks to convince yourself to go bash your head against the wall one more time. Whether you can learn isn't the issue, whether you do learn -- and how much time and annoyance you have to put in -- is what matters.

dsjoerg 11y ago
Are you so confident that this is true for others because you have lots of evidence, or are you just talking about your personal experience?
- tbrownaw 11y ago
  More precisely, from what I've read the "flow" state seems to be about ideal for both learning and making things fun. Plus of course, the more fun something is the more practice you'll find yourself getting (and without having to bash your head on the wall).
euske 11y ago
I think the problem is that what you want to learn is not always fun all the time. At some point you'll hit the wall and you have to overcome it (I admit, however, it never happened to me in programming, but for example I hate driving while I have to get better at it). It's tempting to make an excuse like you're simply "not built for it" - so that you can give up without feeling bad. That is a harm of the fixed mindset as far as I understand. I'm not saying that people should feel bad all the time, but the "nature" excuse is sometimes a slippery slope.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  There should be more research in meta-learning. How to learn things that eludes you far too much. Rewire your views deeply. And how to perceive 'progress' while interacting with blind spots.
rifung 11y ago
If you have a fixed mindset, it is probably difficult to have fun with something you want to learn if it just constantly makes you think you are unintelligent.
run4yourlives2 11y ago
A pretty good counterpoint to that: Playing an instrument. Very few people can pick up and play an instrument naturally. The best are the ones that combine a basic musical talent with hours of hard work, in a quest to get to a level where they can "just play".

dsjoerg 11y ago

Are you so confident that this is true for others because you have lots of evidence, or are you just talking about your personal experience?

tbrownaw 11y ago
More precisely, from what I've read the "flow" state seems to be about ideal for both learning and making things fun. Plus of course, the more fun something is the more practice you'll find yourself getting (and without having to bash your head on the wall).

euske 11y ago

I think the problem is that what you want to learn is not always fun all the time. At some point you'll hit the wall and you have to overcome it (I admit, however, it never happened to me in programming, but for example I hate driving while I have to get better at it). It's tempting to make an excuse like you're simply "not built for it" - so that you can give up without feeling bad. That is a harm of the fixed mindset as far as I understand. I'm not saying that people should feel bad all the time, but the "nature" excuse is sometimes a slippery slope.

agumonkey 11y ago
There should be more research in meta-learning. How to learn things that eludes you far too much. Rewire your views deeply. And how to perceive 'progress' while interacting with blind spots.

rifung 11y ago

If you have a fixed mindset, it is probably difficult to have fun with something you want to learn if it just constantly makes you think you are unintelligent.

run4yourlives2 11y ago

A pretty good counterpoint to that: Playing an instrument. Very few people can pick up and play an instrument naturally. The best are the ones that combine a basic musical talent with hours of hard work, in a quest to get to a level where they can "just play".