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it's not irrational to be opposed to density. Racism aside, density changes the character of the neighborhood and potentially lowers property values of existin

it's not irrational to be opposed to density. Racism aside, density changes the character of the neighborhood and potentially lowers property values of existing homeowners. So, it's not surprising people are apprehensive

hueving 11y ago
'character' is just code for 'I don't want to share' or even worse 'I bought in and if we make more housing, my price won't go up as much'
- vasilipupkin 11y ago
  No, that's not correct. Character is what the neighborhood looks like, visually. Some people like to live on quiet tree lined streets not in a Manhattan like neighborhood. Immediately assuming they are racist is ridiculous
  - hueving 11y ago
    >Some people like to live on quiet tree lined streets not in a Manhattan A.k.a they don't want to share.
- rodgerd 11y ago
  > 'character' is just code for 'I don't want to share' Nonsense. I don't live in San Fran, I do live in a city whose character has changed. I don't mind that people saw the cool inner city and wanted to share. I do mind that developer put up cheap high-rises with shit sound insulation, and then waged war on music venues, getting most of them shut down. I do mind that rents escalate massively year-on-year so that the hitherto broad range of inhabitants have steadily whittled down to a richer and richer (and frankly less interesting) rump. I do mind that many landlords would apparently rather see an empty shopfront than an interesting store that's no longer viable because apparently the thing to do is year-on-year 30% rent rises.
  - mahyarm 11y ago
    Rents escalating massively is usually a case of supply controls.
kbenson 11y ago
I don't know why you are being downvoted,what you stated is fairly uncontroversial and easily supported. Perhaps people are assuming some stance or approval of that from your words. It is rational behavior to protect your investments and way of life in this manner. I think it's often short-term rationalization, and acting on bad information, but people are acting in a rational manner given their information and circumstances. Given that, it's probably good to address the base of that rationalization, rather than expect them to behave differently. I.e. give them more information that makes their prior behavior no longer the clearly beneficial choice for them, if such information exists. Play upon their sense of justice and ideals (such as ChuckMcM is). etc.
pbreit 11y ago
I think what you want to say is: it's rational to be opposed to density.

hueving 11y ago

'character' is just code for 'I don't want to share' or even worse 'I bought in and if we make more housing, my price won't go up as much'

vasilipupkin 11y ago
No, that's not correct. Character is what the neighborhood looks like, visually. Some people like to live on quiet tree lined streets not in a Manhattan like neighborhood. Immediately assuming they are racist is ridiculous
- hueving 11y ago
  >Some people like to live on quiet tree lined streets not in a Manhattan A.k.a they don't want to share.
rodgerd 11y ago
> 'character' is just code for 'I don't want to share' Nonsense. I don't live in San Fran, I do live in a city whose character has changed. I don't mind that people saw the cool inner city and wanted to share. I do mind that developer put up cheap high-rises with shit sound insulation, and then waged war on music venues, getting most of them shut down. I do mind that rents escalate massively year-on-year so that the hitherto broad range of inhabitants have steadily whittled down to a richer and richer (and frankly less interesting) rump. I do mind that many landlords would apparently rather see an empty shopfront than an interesting store that's no longer viable because apparently the thing to do is year-on-year 30% rent rises.
- mahyarm 11y ago
  Rents escalating massively is usually a case of supply controls.

kbenson 11y ago

I don't know why you are being downvoted,what you stated is fairly uncontroversial and easily supported. Perhaps people are assuming some stance or approval of that from your words. It is rational behavior to protect your investments and way of life in this manner. I think it's often short-term rationalization, and acting on bad information, but people are acting in a rational manner given their information and circumstances. Given that, it's probably good to address the base of that rationalization, rather than expect them to behave differently. I.e. give them more information that makes their prior behavior no longer the clearly beneficial choice for them, if such information exists. Play upon their sense of justice and ideals (such as ChuckMcM is). etc.

pbreit 11y ago

I think what you want to say is: it's rational to be opposed to density.