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A horrifying reminder of the capability for critical thought of the general population! This is to be expected though. Removing gender associations is going to
by hueving 11y ago
A horrifying reminder of the capability for critical thought of the general population!
This is to be expected though. Removing gender associations is going to be seen as an attack on existing peoples' upbringings. Anything that falls into that category is going to be a painful fight.
- zamalek 11y agoThere's an effect I forget the name of. Basically, if you give someone something and then some time later take it away they experience anger. When you give rights to one group, you have to remove them from another (important: even if the second group had rights that were not rightfully theirs). Men previously and incorrectly had exclusive access to jobs (and votes, and so forth). By giving women fair chance to those rights, you have to subtract the unjust portion of men's rights. I don't know why some (most? unlikely) of us can accept the truth, that those rights were never only ours, but as for the rest they experience anger. Just another way that equality is a hard fight: we're fighting a documented psychological effect.
- rewqfdsa 11y agoThis article isn't talking about taking away "exclusive access to jobs" from men. It's hinting at separating geek culture from software development. Let's be honest: the two interests correlate well. You're talking about stripping many practitioners of software development from their culture. Why is that just?
- zamalek 11y ago> You're talking about stripping many practitioners of software development from their culture. Where did you get that from? I was merely attempting a theory (not excusing) on why these people act they do toward equality.
- rayiner 11y ago> You're talking about stripping many practitioners of software development from their culture. Why is that just? Why is it unjust? Why do you have to bring your personal interests and preferences into the workplace? Why not make a neutral workplace where different kinds of people can integrate and feel comfortable?
- rewqfdsa 11y agoYou're advocating for sterile, culture-less workplaces. You're free to do that, and companies are free to implement your proposed policies. Personally, I wouldn't work for a company that prohibited my expressing nerd culture.
- rayiner 11y agoYes, I am. I think work places should be neutral places where the focus is on work. I'm a professional--I don't need to bond with my teammates over unrelated bullshit in order to work effectively with them.
- rewqfdsa 11y agoI think sharing culture can create an esprit de corps, improving morale and group cohesion, especially in times of crisis.
- rayiner 11y agoWhy can't the shared culture be a mutual commitment to high-quality work? Let me put it another way: do you want to spend all day hearing about my toddler? If not--well that's how I feel about everything you're interested in. So let's just all do our work and leave our personal lives at home.
- wtbob 11y ago> Why can't the shared culture be a mutual commitment to high-quality work? Because that's not how human beings bond. We don't bond over a single facet of our lives; we bond as a community. The modern world, in which we live different places, believe different things and pursue different jobs, is poison for any sense of community.
- littletimmy 11y agoHere's your problem: You think that historically, the injustice is that men oppress women. In reality, the injustice is that a small group of very powerful men oppress all women and nearly all men.