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I should add that we need to step up enforcement on non-chargers (whether ICE or Tesla or Leaf) parking in charging spots. The handicap space analogy is a bad o

I should add that we need to step up enforcement on non-chargers (whether ICE or Tesla or Leaf) parking in charging spots. The handicap space analogy is a bad one, a better one is parking in front of a gas pump. Police and property owners should be giving out large (multi-$100) tickets and towing/impounding. I guarantee the behavior would stop.

johansch 11y ago
Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient to just black-list them from the charging spots in an automated way? (Some technology would be needed, of course.)
jvm 11y ago
Why not just charge for parking instead of for charging? Charging is included in the price. If people want to pay to not charge so be it!
- masklinn 11y ago
  Because the point is to provide charging stations to increase EV viability, not to provide parking. The parking is a side-effect/necessity.
epistasis 11y ago
As it is, it's quite difficult to get back to your car at the exact timing of completion. I think it would be vastly preferable if: 1) All cars and chargers had a clear and consistent signal to show that they are done charging. In my area, few chargers indicate charging status, and every car has it's own completely inconsistent meaning when it comes to lights, it seems. 2) Each charging port could access multiple parking spots. 3) It was considered polite to unplug a charged car and plug in your own (this is already mostly the case). 4) Charging locations were not placed at the best parking locations, but spread out. A charging station need not be so expensive that it has to be used continuously to justify its capital cost. Better to have them spread out and plentifully available, but until we're there, there's many ways to make each charging port more valuable without causing serious inconvenience.
- URSpider94 11y ago
  I agree with most of what you said, except the fact is, chargers are in fact quite expensive to install. Putting in a large number of them requires massive upgrades of the electrical service. Consider putting in 20, 30A chargers would require a ~800A-rated service (since all could be in service at the same time and you need some safety margin), vs the 200A service installed in the typical home. It's also hard to run them to spots far away in a parking lot, which ups the installation expense quite a lot.
  - epistasis 11y ago
    Well I'm not advocating for large installs in a single location, just lots and lots of small installs everywhere, which is far better for everyone. 20 in one spot would be far too many.

johansch 11y ago

Wouldn't it be easier and more efficient to just black-list them from the charging spots in an automated way? (Some technology would be needed, of course.)

jvm 11y ago

Why not just charge for parking instead of for charging? Charging is included in the price. If people want to pay to not charge so be it!

masklinn 11y ago
Because the point is to provide charging stations to increase EV viability, not to provide parking. The parking is a side-effect/necessity.

epistasis 11y ago

As it is, it's quite difficult to get back to your car at the exact timing of completion. I think it would be vastly preferable if: 1) All cars and chargers had a clear and consistent signal to show that they are done charging. In my area, few chargers indicate charging status, and every car has it's own completely inconsistent meaning when it comes to lights, it seems. 2) Each charging port could access multiple parking spots. 3) It was considered polite to unplug a charged car and plug in your own (this is already mostly the case). 4) Charging locations were not placed at the best parking locations, but spread out. A charging station need not be so expensive that it has to be used continuously to justify its capital cost. Better to have them spread out and plentifully available, but until we're there, there's many ways to make each charging port more valuable without causing serious inconvenience.

URSpider94 11y ago
I agree with most of what you said, except the fact is, chargers are in fact quite expensive to install. Putting in a large number of them requires massive upgrades of the electrical service. Consider putting in 20, 30A chargers would require a ~800A-rated service (since all could be in service at the same time and you need some safety margin), vs the 200A service installed in the typical home. It's also hard to run them to spots far away in a parking lot, which ups the installation expense quite a lot.
- epistasis 11y ago
  Well I'm not advocating for large installs in a single location, just lots and lots of small installs everywhere, which is far better for everyone. 20 in one spot would be far too many.