Just want to second that google groups is a pain, and it's a shame that everyone seems to be using it nowadays (albeit for understandable reasons). My pet peev

Just want to second that google groups is a pain, and it's a shame that everyone seems to be using it nowadays (albeit for understandable reasons). My pet peeve is their ignorance of traditional mailing list behaviour in terms of echo'ing back your own posts to you. Google Groups doesn't do it, every other mailing list software in existence does it. Which means users who happen to not use GMail as their client (yes, they do exist) have to deal with both variants - a small but constant nuisance.