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While I really do understand the logic and reasoning for censoring hate, vitriol and those sympathizing with such movements; overall I do not think this is taki

While I really do understand the logic and reasoning for censoring hate, vitriol and those sympathizing with such movements; overall I do not think this is taking humanity down a good path. Consider that the US and Israeli Governments are responsible for far more loss of innocent lives per year than any of these terrorist groups. Except here it's framed in the fight against evil, protect the people, spread democracy form which I guess makes it okay? When it comes down to it if we accept that our platforms for discussion of the world around us are to be limited to the good forms (someone will decide for you which forms are good) than the terrible world has already won, and to me personally it makes no difference whether the innocent are dying by military sanction of some general's order or due to the influence of some crazy preacher.

supergirl 11y ago
there is no good path. it is the will to power
riffraff 11y ago
> Consider that the US and Israeli Governments are responsible for far more loss of innocent lives per year than any of these terrorist groups. That might possibly be true of the US government, given it's at war in plenty of places, but AFAIK israel is only in one theater, and the death toll among palestinians in 2014 (the highest number in recent times) was reportedly 2300[0]. Citation needed? ISIS is reported to have killed a lot more people. Also, israel mostly states "we will defend ourselves", and so does the US. As much as that might be BS, it's not as bad as ISIS explicitly stating it wants to erase other cultures. [0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/israel-kills-more-palestinians-2014-than-any-other-year-since-1967 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/israel-kills-mo...
- dogma1138 11y ago
  Yep the entire Arab-Israeli conflict with all of it's wars cost less lives (on both sides) during the past 70 years than one year of the Syrian civil war. When it comes to loss of lives the Arab-Israeli including the conflict with the Palestinians is pretty much a non-issue compared to other conflicts that happen all the time in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict... The problem like always is media focus and over-reporting, I've met actual people that believed that Israel killed millions of Arabs, I've have gotten figures that were higher than 10M from some people and they even quoted "sources". Same goes for the war on terror people said that the US killed more people than the German in WW2 and some of them actually believed it. And this is a big issue it's hard to discuss a conflict that people think costing millions of lives where in actuality only about 24,000 people (both sides) died in since 1948, and once you've settled in your own little world of millions of deaths it's hard to take in numbers that are less than a football game.
NoCulturalFit 11y ago
Yeah it's cool, let's ignore pan Arabic imperialism and Islam mass murdering people so we can paint Israel bad.... In a thread about the group of people that sold and raped 6 year old Yazidis...
nl 11y ago
I agree the first and third of your paragraphs. The second I'm ignoring. I think in the future you could be well-advised to consider what point you are trying to make. In this case, your (quite sensible) point about censorship of social platforms was overshadowed by a (unnecessary in that context) point about the actions of other powers. You should note that's the only thing that's being discussed, and (as usual) no conclusion is going to be reached. If you are happy with that, fine. But I think your other point was much more worthy of attention.

supergirl 11y ago

there is no good path. it is the will to power

riffraff 11y ago

> Consider that the US and Israeli Governments are responsible for far more loss of innocent lives per year than any of these terrorist groups. That might possibly be true of the US government, given it's at war in plenty of places, but AFAIK israel is only in one theater, and the death toll among palestinians in 2014 (the highest number in recent times) was reportedly 2300[0]. Citation needed? ISIS is reported to have killed a lot more people. Also, israel mostly states "we will defend ourselves", and so does the US. As much as that might be BS, it's not as bad as ISIS explicitly stating it wants to erase other cultures. [0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/israel-kills-more-palestinians-2014-than-any-other-year-since-1967 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/israel-kills-mo...

dogma1138 11y ago
Yep the entire Arab-Israeli conflict with all of it's wars cost less lives (on both sides) during the past 70 years than one year of the Syrian civil war. When it comes to loss of lives the Arab-Israeli including the conflict with the Palestinians is pretty much a non-issue compared to other conflicts that happen all the time in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict... The problem like always is media focus and over-reporting, I've met actual people that believed that Israel killed millions of Arabs, I've have gotten figures that were higher than 10M from some people and they even quoted "sources". Same goes for the war on terror people said that the US killed more people than the German in WW2 and some of them actually believed it. And this is a big issue it's hard to discuss a conflict that people think costing millions of lives where in actuality only about 24,000 people (both sides) died in since 1948, and once you've settled in your own little world of millions of deaths it's hard to take in numbers that are less than a football game.

NoCulturalFit 11y ago

Yeah it's cool, let's ignore pan Arabic imperialism and Islam mass murdering people so we can paint Israel bad.... In a thread about the group of people that sold and raped 6 year old Yazidis...

nl 11y ago

I agree the first and third of your paragraphs. The second I'm ignoring. I think in the future you could be well-advised to consider what point you are trying to make. In this case, your (quite sensible) point about censorship of social platforms was overshadowed by a (unnecessary in that context) point about the actions of other powers. You should note that's the only thing that's being discussed, and (as usual) no conclusion is going to be reached. If you are happy with that, fine. But I think your other point was much more worthy of attention.