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Could we stop propagating them? There is no 'state', it is just part of desert with bandits in pickups. And BBC should not give hints where to find latest propa

by jkot 11y ago

Could we stop propagating them? There is no 'state', it is just part of desert with bandits in pickups. And BBC should not give hints where to find latest propaganda. It is like reporting 'piratebay.com' domain is down, use 'piratebay.xyz'

coffeecheque 11y ago
I'm not sure if the article been updated since you had a look, but the first line of the article refers to the Jihadist group as the "so-called Islamic State". Also I think there is a public interest in knowing that Daesh is apparently switching communication platforms. If there's been an effort to reduce/remove Daesh from Twitter, why couldn't there be a similar strategy with Telegram? You seem to be advocating the security-by-obscurity line, in regards to propaganda. It's out there, and if people want to find it, they don't need to look far.
- KaiserPro 11y ago
  youre not going to destroy Daesh by forcing them to move communications medium to their tenuous followers. They currently have excellent source or arms, money, people and land. The only way to stop them is to deprive them of resources, just like any other war. There is nothing different about daesh. They live, breath, fight and bleed just like any other. They only real difference is that the western media appear to be hell bent on giving them as much airtime as possible.
- jkot 11y ago
  'So called' disclaimer is on almost every BBC article. But it is media like BBC who spread this name in first place. Compare IS with 'Kurdistan'. It is a 'state' somehow similar to IS, but it gets completely different treatment. And they gave step by step manual: Go to app store, install Telegram, search IS channel.
  - gaius 11y ago
    In the Falklands war, the BBC broadcast that the Argentine air force were setting their bomb fuses wrong and their bombs weren't exploding when they hit British ships, and also pre-announced the attack on Goose Green. They're well known for playing both sides against the middle.
    - arethuza 11y ago
      I have read that the Goose Green incident was actually caused by a MoD official releasing something too early - they were just passing on the message. The thing about the bomb fuses was a horrendous mistake “six better fuses and we would have lost” - particularly as there was nothing wrong with the fuses and the Argentinians could have easily fixed this by a simple adjustment.
yoavm 11y ago
You didn't just compared ISIS to the Pirate Bay, did you?
Hermel 11y ago
They have laws, courts, schools, taxes, an army, and a territory. Sounds like a state to me.
- jkot 11y ago
  So has Kurdistan, but we dont hear about every fart they made.
  - korisnik 11y ago
    It's really not clear what point you're trying to make, if any at all. If you don't like reading about ISIS, then don't. It's as easy as that. And it'll make you look a lot less pretentious than you are right now.
    - jkot 11y ago
      I dont like that Islamic radicals are referred to as a 'state'. Usually it takes long time for area to be recognized as 'state', and its first step towards official recognition by other governments.
      - huac 11y ago
        Historically, 'areas' have declared themselves states and killed anybody who disagreed, until people stopped disagreeing.
      - korisnik 11y ago
        >Usually it takes long time for area to be recognized as 'state', Islamic State has existed since about 2006.
        vixen99 11y ago
        But it isn't. If it were, the UK could then remove the citizenship of current UK citizens who become ISIS admirers avowing violence against Britons and Britain. Currently they have difficulty with that because it's not possible to make someone stateless.
nl 11y ago
Raqqah (Raqqa) is (or was) over 250,000 people. Mosul is 1.5 million. That's hardly desert, bandits and pickups (no matter how much we may wish that was true).

by jkot 11y ago

coffeecheque 11y ago

I'm not sure if the article been updated since you had a look, but the first line of the article refers to the Jihadist group as the "so-called Islamic State". Also I think there is a public interest in knowing that Daesh is apparently switching communication platforms. If there's been an effort to reduce/remove Daesh from Twitter, why couldn't there be a similar strategy with Telegram? You seem to be advocating the security-by-obscurity line, in regards to propaganda. It's out there, and if people want to find it, they don't need to look far.

KaiserPro 11y ago
youre not going to destroy Daesh by forcing them to move communications medium to their tenuous followers. They currently have excellent source or arms, money, people and land. The only way to stop them is to deprive them of resources, just like any other war. There is nothing different about daesh. They live, breath, fight and bleed just like any other. They only real difference is that the western media appear to be hell bent on giving them as much airtime as possible.
jkot 11y ago
'So called' disclaimer is on almost every BBC article. But it is media like BBC who spread this name in first place. Compare IS with 'Kurdistan'. It is a 'state' somehow similar to IS, but it gets completely different treatment. And they gave step by step manual: Go to app store, install Telegram, search IS channel.
- gaius 11y ago
  In the Falklands war, the BBC broadcast that the Argentine air force were setting their bomb fuses wrong and their bombs weren't exploding when they hit British ships, and also pre-announced the attack on Goose Green. They're well known for playing both sides against the middle.
  - arethuza 11y ago
    I have read that the Goose Green incident was actually caused by a MoD official releasing something too early - they were just passing on the message. The thing about the bomb fuses was a horrendous mistake “six better fuses and we would have lost” - particularly as there was nothing wrong with the fuses and the Argentinians could have easily fixed this by a simple adjustment.

yoavm 11y ago

You didn't just compared ISIS to the Pirate Bay, did you?

Hermel 11y ago

They have laws, courts, schools, taxes, an army, and a territory. Sounds like a state to me.

jkot 11y ago
So has Kurdistan, but we dont hear about every fart they made.
- korisnik 11y ago
  It's really not clear what point you're trying to make, if any at all. If you don't like reading about ISIS, then don't. It's as easy as that. And it'll make you look a lot less pretentious than you are right now.
  - jkot 11y ago
    I dont like that Islamic radicals are referred to as a 'state'. Usually it takes long time for area to be recognized as 'state', and its first step towards official recognition by other governments.
    - huac 11y ago
      Historically, 'areas' have declared themselves states and killed anybody who disagreed, until people stopped disagreeing.
    - korisnik 11y ago
      >Usually it takes long time for area to be recognized as 'state', Islamic State has existed since about 2006.
      - vixen99 11y ago
        But it isn't. If it were, the UK could then remove the citizenship of current UK citizens who become ISIS admirers avowing violence against Britons and Britain. Currently they have difficulty with that because it's not possible to make someone stateless.

nl 11y ago

Raqqah (Raqqa) is (or was) over 250,000 people. Mosul is 1.5 million. That's hardly desert, bandits and pickups (no matter how much we may wish that was true).