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WRT assumptions we carry around with us: The Soviet Union seemed to have adjusted to undertaking bloody "pacifications" in Eastern Europe every 12 years - Hung

WRT assumptions we carry around with us: The Soviet Union seemed to have adjusted to undertaking bloody "pacifications" in Eastern Europe every 12 years - Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968, Poland in 1980 One should really compare the bloodliness of those pacifications with similar ones undertaken against Iraq or Libya. The difference would be dramatic. Not that I am defending soviet regime. Adding insult to injury, they routinely failed their PR campaigns.

asgard1024 11y ago
Or pacifications that were undertaken, with U.S. government support, in Central and South America. I am not defending Russian empire either. Putin actually seems to be bend to follow the U.S. model in Chechnya, Ukraine, Syria..
- rimantas 11y ago
  Remind me, which countries did US annex.
  - guard-of-terra 11y ago
    Mexico? Texas and California.
    - douche 11y ago
      Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, Guam, Wake, Hawaii.
  - asgard1024 11y ago
    What has annexing to do with it? USSR didn't annex Czechoslovakia (the country where I was born) or Hungary; they just supported anti-democratic government that was more in line with their interests. You can downvote as much as you want, but the U.S. did the same in many countries of the Latin America, often with more violence. Here's a good reference: http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/ http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/ BTW, this is also spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vcct_g_z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vcct_g_z4 (and this insulation of the Eastern Europe is actually nicely shown now on the stance to the refugee crisis)
    - PerfectDlite 11y ago
      > What has annexing to do with it? Because Putin annexed part of Ukraine.
agumonkey 11y ago
Are you saying that they were a lot 'better' at helping other nations ? Better in execution and/or human view ? I know nothing about this.
rospaya 11y ago
> One should really compare the bloodliness of those pacifications with similar ones undertaken against Iraq or Libya. The difference would be dramatic. Why? This is a very ham fisted attempt at the usual "bu.. but the Americans are worse!" routine with no need to compare the two in the first place. The only possible reason for comparing them would be to find the Soviet Union more peaceful or less bloody outside of its borders than the US, something that has little to no relevancy to this article.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  This however have relevance for readers, because they are going to use those cliches afterwards, and will, for example, call for "stronger measures" because "that's how it is done", citing article they read years ago.

asgard1024 11y ago

Or pacifications that were undertaken, with U.S. government support, in Central and South America. I am not defending Russian empire either. Putin actually seems to be bend to follow the U.S. model in Chechnya, Ukraine, Syria..

rimantas 11y ago
Remind me, which countries did US annex.
- guard-of-terra 11y ago
  Mexico? Texas and California.
  - douche 11y ago
    Puerto Rico, the Phillipines, Guam, Wake, Hawaii.
- asgard1024 11y ago
  What has annexing to do with it? USSR didn't annex Czechoslovakia (the country where I was born) or Hungary; they just supported anti-democratic government that was more in line with their interests. You can downvote as much as you want, but the U.S. did the same in many countries of the Latin America, often with more violence. Here's a good reference: http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/ http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope/ BTW, this is also spot on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vcct_g_z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vcct_g_z4 (and this insulation of the Eastern Europe is actually nicely shown now on the stance to the refugee crisis)
  - PerfectDlite 11y ago
    > What has annexing to do with it? Because Putin annexed part of Ukraine.

agumonkey 11y ago

Are you saying that they were a lot 'better' at helping other nations ? Better in execution and/or human view ? I know nothing about this.

rospaya 11y ago

> One should really compare the bloodliness of those pacifications with similar ones undertaken against Iraq or Libya. The difference would be dramatic. Why? This is a very ham fisted attempt at the usual "bu.. but the Americans are worse!" routine with no need to compare the two in the first place. The only possible reason for comparing them would be to find the Soviet Union more peaceful or less bloody outside of its borders than the US, something that has little to no relevancy to this article.

guard-of-terra 11y ago
This however have relevance for readers, because they are going to use those cliches afterwards, and will, for example, call for "stronger measures" because "that's how it is done", citing article they read years ago.