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I tried to read about Stack Overflow and Discourse's diversity, but all I could find was these two pages of guys: http://stackexchange.com/about/management htt

I tried to read about Stack Overflow and Discourse's diversity, but all I could find was these two pages of guys: http://stackexchange.com/about/management http://stackexchange.com/about/management http://blog.discourse.org/2013/02/the-discourse-team/ http://blog.discourse.org/2013/02/the-discourse-team/ Maybe you have better links? Or maybe you weren't saying that Discourse and Stack Overflow did well on diversity; merely that you think Clef will do badly too? (They seem to be doing reasonably okay right now to me.)

meowface 11y ago
His comment was accurate in that you are constraining many vectors of diversity by only hiring from a specific location, even if gender likely isn't one of those vectors. Also, the gender of a company's management team doesn't necessarily reflect the gender distribution of all their employees. And I don't believe Discourse is owned by Stack Exchange.
benihana 11y ago
Completely irrelevant, baiting non-sequitur. Your perception of his company's diversity does not change the validity of his point about having a less diverse pool to hire from.
- cjbprime 11y ago
  > Your perception of his company's diversity does not change the validity of his point about having a less diverse pool to hire from. It changes how seriously I would take his advice. If someone says "I did X, and without X it would be very hard to do Y.", you would assume that they actually did Y. If you later find out that they didn't do Y, and further that the people they're advising to change their behavior and start doing X are better at Y than they were.. it's a sign you might feel free to ignore their advice.
RogerL 11y ago
https://github.com/clef/handbook/issues/69 https://github.com/clef/handbook/issues/69 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/4794bc93db32222855b4ee601e2a7b79554c5b21 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/4794bc93db32222855b4... https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/d25a1e33adf93ad6bb892ec4f185f91a3eadfcf9 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/d25a1e33adf93ad6bb89...
codinghorror 11y ago
I just think it is super weird to be completely, categorically opposed to remote work when a primary goal is diversity. It is a severe constraint on hiring, and you want super flexible hiring to maximize diversity.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  Its not weird to be completely, categorically opposed to remote work when you've found, e.g., that remote work usually doesn't work well in your environment and that, even where it does, allowing some people to work remotely and not others impacts overall morale in a way which offsets the advantages from the limited circumstances where remote work is useful. Wanting diversity doesn't mean having unlimited willingess to sacrifice quality of work to get it.

meowface 11y ago

His comment was accurate in that you are constraining many vectors of diversity by only hiring from a specific location, even if gender likely isn't one of those vectors. Also, the gender of a company's management team doesn't necessarily reflect the gender distribution of all their employees. And I don't believe Discourse is owned by Stack Exchange.

benihana 11y ago

Completely irrelevant, baiting non-sequitur. Your perception of his company's diversity does not change the validity of his point about having a less diverse pool to hire from.

cjbprime 11y ago
> Your perception of his company's diversity does not change the validity of his point about having a less diverse pool to hire from. It changes how seriously I would take his advice. If someone says "I did X, and without X it would be very hard to do Y.", you would assume that they actually did Y. If you later find out that they didn't do Y, and further that the people they're advising to change their behavior and start doing X are better at Y than they were.. it's a sign you might feel free to ignore their advice.

RogerL 11y ago

https://github.com/clef/handbook/issues/69 https://github.com/clef/handbook/issues/69 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/4794bc93db32222855b4ee601e2a7b79554c5b21 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/4794bc93db32222855b4... https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/d25a1e33adf93ad6bb892ec4f185f91a3eadfcf9 https://github.com/clef/handbook/commit/d25a1e33adf93ad6bb89...

codinghorror 11y ago

I just think it is super weird to be completely, categorically opposed to remote work when a primary goal is diversity. It is a severe constraint on hiring, and you want super flexible hiring to maximize diversity.

dragonwriter 11y ago
Its not weird to be completely, categorically opposed to remote work when you've found, e.g., that remote work usually doesn't work well in your environment and that, even where it does, allowing some people to work remotely and not others impacts overall morale in a way which offsets the advantages from the limited circumstances where remote work is useful. Wanting diversity doesn't mean having unlimited willingess to sacrifice quality of work to get it.