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Ads will never go away and these ad blockers will soon become worthless if the advertising companies ever think they're a threat. There are so many easy ways to

Ads will never go away and these ad blockers will soon become worthless if the advertising companies ever think they're a threat. There are so many easy ways to defeat ad blocking. This is why I despise Apple for trying to publicize web ad blocking while letting their ads be displayed in their little gated community. Apple is essentially ruining it for the people that do use ad blockers because we're going to reach a point where the ad blockers are unable to block ads due to the myriad of ways publishers will use to foil them. It's only a matter of time before this happens and I hope Apple is paid back for this move in spades.

teddyh 11y ago
> Ads will never go away Sure they could. Look at São Paulo, for instance. http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/11/can-cities-kick-ads-ban-urban-billboards http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/11/can-cities-kic...
- bitmapbrother 11y ago
  I was referring to web ads. The elimination of public display ads is irrelevant in this context. I'm preventing the provider of the content I'm consuming from earning a paycheck by blocking their ads. If the city of São Paulo received a revenue share from public advertising, to put towards government funding and reduce their taxation on the public, I'm sure they would change their mind very quickly.
rimantas 11y ago
Ok, so when ad blocking was not possible on iOS it was bad, because walled garden, etc. Now, when iOS users finally have a choice it's bad again. Wonderfull logic. And nope, advertizers will not beat ad blocking.
- bitmapbrother 11y ago
  Yeah, they will. The moment they see any actionable decrease they'll start to foil them.
ghaff 11y ago
So your argument is that Apple is bad because they let the plebes in on this ad blocking thing? (Rather than leaving them for the techies who are a small enough slide of the population that they can slip under the radar?) I'd also argue that the way Apple implemented things, it actually takes more savvy to block ads on iOS than on a web browser on a PC. If it were just a default setting in Safari, you'd have a stronger argument.
- bitmapbrother 11y ago
  Party, but my main argument is that they're chronic hypocrites whose sole reason was to hurt Google rather than to protect their users privacy. If they really wanted to protect their privacy they would also block them from their targeted ads.
joesmo 11y ago
Please. Anything the advertisers can come up with is easily defeated on the ad-blocking side. The only way the ad companies can get in is to convince ad blockers to let them pay and not be filtered ... which isn't a very good plan when there are open source ad-blockers. EDIT: If it was easy to bypass ad-blockers, the advertisers would already be doing it.
- bitmapbrother 11y ago
  Oh please. There are so many ways to defeat ad blockers. All a publisher needs to do is serve their content from a single CDN. They can also use polymorphic encryption to completely render the ad blocker useless.

teddyh 11y ago

> Ads will never go away Sure they could. Look at São Paulo, for instance. http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/11/can-cities-kick-ads-ban-urban-billboards http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/aug/11/can-cities-kic...

bitmapbrother 11y ago
I was referring to web ads. The elimination of public display ads is irrelevant in this context. I'm preventing the provider of the content I'm consuming from earning a paycheck by blocking their ads. If the city of São Paulo received a revenue share from public advertising, to put towards government funding and reduce their taxation on the public, I'm sure they would change their mind very quickly.

rimantas 11y ago

Ok, so when ad blocking was not possible on iOS it was bad, because walled garden, etc. Now, when iOS users finally have a choice it's bad again. Wonderfull logic. And nope, advertizers will not beat ad blocking.

bitmapbrother 11y ago
Yeah, they will. The moment they see any actionable decrease they'll start to foil them.

ghaff 11y ago

So your argument is that Apple is bad because they let the plebes in on this ad blocking thing? (Rather than leaving them for the techies who are a small enough slide of the population that they can slip under the radar?) I'd also argue that the way Apple implemented things, it actually takes more savvy to block ads on iOS than on a web browser on a PC. If it were just a default setting in Safari, you'd have a stronger argument.

bitmapbrother 11y ago
Party, but my main argument is that they're chronic hypocrites whose sole reason was to hurt Google rather than to protect their users privacy. If they really wanted to protect their privacy they would also block them from their targeted ads.

joesmo 11y ago

Please. Anything the advertisers can come up with is easily defeated on the ad-blocking side. The only way the ad companies can get in is to convince ad blockers to let them pay and not be filtered ... which isn't a very good plan when there are open source ad-blockers. EDIT: If it was easy to bypass ad-blockers, the advertisers would already be doing it.

bitmapbrother 11y ago
Oh please. There are so many ways to defeat ad blockers. All a publisher needs to do is serve their content from a single CDN. They can also use polymorphic encryption to completely render the ad blocker useless.