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Your response makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever By your logic if I see the word "latte" and I pronounce it "lat" because there is no "eh" sound at t
by greggman 11y ago
Your response makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever
By your logic if I see the word "latte" and I pronounce it "lat" because there is no "eh" sound at the end of words in English then that's perfectly fine and people should just deal with it. No, that's not what happens. People get corrected and through correction we all learn to say "lah-tay".
You seem to be arguing correction has no place. That's pretty indefensible. If we didn't correct each other no one could communicate. One person would say "ki nig et" and another would say "nait". One person would say "gar baj" and other way say "jar bayg".
Even subtle variations matter. If someone says "the dig caught the bil" when then meant the "dog caught the ball" no one will understand them even though the difference in pronunciation of of "dig" vs "dog" and "ball" vs "bil" is very tiny. In the same way say "Kee-yoh-toh" to a Japanese person and they won't understand what you're talking about until you give them many more clues.
I'd also argue correct pronunciations of names is partly of matter of respect. Maybe you're an exception but I kind of assume I called your name as "Tah-Zay Tee Su chi Nit Zel" you'd probably not respond. If you did figure out I was referring to you you'd probably correct me. If I insisted "so what, that's how I read it so that's how I'm saying it" you'd probably be offended. Maybe you're special and you wouldn't mind but most people would. I wouldn't respond to "jrej" or "guh-reg" or "guh-re-guh-guh".
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago> By your logic if I see the word "latte" and I pronounce it "lat" because there is no "eh" sound at the end of words in English then that's perfectly fine and people should just deal with it. You are just a single person, so it probably wouldn't be seen as correct. However, if a large number of people within some geographical area did the same thing, then it'd be a (correct) feature of that dialect. I never said that any feature of any person's ideolect is always considered "correct". I said that features in the English spoken by "a large enough portion of English speakers" are. Languages aren't ideal systems that native speakers attempt to conform to, languages are simply what is actually spoken.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiolect#Idiolect_and_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiolect#Idiolect_and_language) > You seem to be arguing correction has no place. That's pretty indefensible. No, I'm arguing that correcting people when they're not wrong has no place.
- greggman 11y ago> No, I'm arguing that correcting people when they're not wrong has no place Except you just argued that pronouncing Kyoto and Tokyo with an "ee" sound is okay and I just pointed out the real world consequences of not correcting their pronunciation, namely that native speakers won't be able to understand you. You'll probably argue English speakers don't need to interact with Japanese speakers. I'd argue if we just corrected the English speakers pronunciation everybody wins.
- caio1982 11y agoLet me know once you're done correcting all English speakers on how to "properly" pronounce Latin words then. Oh, go ahead and also make them speak "correctly" all the French words the English vocabulary has too! That would be super fun.