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While the capability of the police to forfeit property is absolutely and completely unfair and, in an (supposedly) equal society, deeply questionable——as oppose

by yason 11y ago

While the capability of the police to forfeit property is absolutely and completely unfair and, in an (supposedly) equal society, deeply questionable——as opposed to taking the property temporarily unless proven guilty——the unescapably stupid thing to do is to a) transfer money in cash and b) smoking weed while doing that. All kinds of unlucky things could happen with a) such as losing the baggage/wallet/jacket with the money in it or being robbed. But because of b) and in a state where I believe cannabis is illegal, the mere unluckiness can be imagined to be amplified tenfold and one of the results is a catastrophe such as his.

Roboprog 11y ago
I don't know why you were voted down. While this is an incredibly unjust act by the police, it is, also, an incredibly stupid act by the student. Being stupid does not make one deserving of being a victim, but it still does leave one being stupid.
teddyh 11y ago
There’s a phrase for what you are doing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
- yason 11y ago
  Victim blaming is an ideal that often forgets to factor in realities. Theoretically, you should be able to walk into a Hell's Angels biker bar at 11pm on a Saturday evening and shout aloud "Only assholes ride a Harley!", then walk out. Theoretically you don't pose a credible threat to anyone and you merely state your opinion. In an ideally perfect world you should have nothing to worry about. But it just might be the most stupid thing you can do in ten seconds. There's a difference between saying the consequences are completely the victim's fault versus thinking that the victim should have a license to do stupid things and yet get away with it against some, if not all, odds. What happened to the guy who got his money confiscated is completely unfair but there was a wide range of choices he could've realistically made to avoid the unfairness from taking place. That's not victim blaming.
  - teddyh 11y ago
    Suppose there’s political and societal pressure to do X, and a person (for their own reasons, which may be ethical or political) instead does an alternative thing Y, all also perfectly legal and ethical. Then suppose that this person gets in unreasonable amounts of trouble by the political and societal pressure. To then say, in effect, “But they could have done X instead, why do they have to be so difficult?” is blaming the victim.
sobkas 11y ago
>the unescapably stupid thing to do is to a) transfer money in cash and b) smoking weed while doing that. So stupidity is now a crime? Because he wasn't charged with for a or b. >losing the baggage/wallet/jacket with the money in it or being robbed Police took his money because they believed they can get away with it(pothead like him would be to afraid to do anything about it), so just because it is legal, it doesn't suddenly make it not a robbery.
- yason 11y ago
  I believe I did not say stupidity was a crime. I suggested that it's stupid to carry large amounts of cash while smoking weed, because that can easily get you into a bigger trouble combined than merely carrying lots of cash or only smoking weed. Factor in the unfair and unpredictable behaviour from the police and while you've done nothing wrong, you have a lot of explaining to do to the officers who really aren't that interested in hearing your explanation in the first place.

by yason 11y ago

Roboprog 11y ago

I don't know why you were voted down. While this is an incredibly unjust act by the police, it is, also, an incredibly stupid act by the student. Being stupid does not make one deserving of being a victim, but it still does leave one being stupid.

teddyh 11y ago

There’s a phrase for what you are doing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming

yason 11y ago
Victim blaming is an ideal that often forgets to factor in realities. Theoretically, you should be able to walk into a Hell's Angels biker bar at 11pm on a Saturday evening and shout aloud "Only assholes ride a Harley!", then walk out. Theoretically you don't pose a credible threat to anyone and you merely state your opinion. In an ideally perfect world you should have nothing to worry about. But it just might be the most stupid thing you can do in ten seconds. There's a difference between saying the consequences are completely the victim's fault versus thinking that the victim should have a license to do stupid things and yet get away with it against some, if not all, odds. What happened to the guy who got his money confiscated is completely unfair but there was a wide range of choices he could've realistically made to avoid the unfairness from taking place. That's not victim blaming.
- teddyh 11y ago
  Suppose there’s political and societal pressure to do X, and a person (for their own reasons, which may be ethical or political) instead does an alternative thing Y, all also perfectly legal and ethical. Then suppose that this person gets in unreasonable amounts of trouble by the political and societal pressure. To then say, in effect, “But they could have done X instead, why do they have to be so difficult?” is blaming the victim.

sobkas 11y ago

>the unescapably stupid thing to do is to a) transfer money in cash and b) smoking weed while doing that. So stupidity is now a crime? Because he wasn't charged with for a or b. >losing the baggage/wallet/jacket with the money in it or being robbed Police took his money because they believed they can get away with it(pothead like him would be to afraid to do anything about it), so just because it is legal, it doesn't suddenly make it not a robbery.

yason 11y ago
I believe I did not say stupidity was a crime. I suggested that it's stupid to carry large amounts of cash while smoking weed, because that can easily get you into a bigger trouble combined than merely carrying lots of cash or only smoking weed. Factor in the unfair and unpredictable behaviour from the police and while you've done nothing wrong, you have a lot of explaining to do to the officers who really aren't that interested in hearing your explanation in the first place.