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You know what man, you're absolutely right. But most people here are going to disagree with you, downvote you, and your brand new account is only going to be vi

by readme 11y ago

You know what man, you're absolutely right. But most people here are going to disagree with you, downvote you, and your brand new account is only going to be visible when I click "showdead" because apparently HN can't handle an opinion without hitting the down button. I would bet you so much, not a soul on HN would dream of carrying 11k in cash through an airport. It's ok though, we should make sure people have the right to do that, since 300 years ago before we even had ACH transfers or airplanes the constitution guaranteed us protection against unreasonable search and seizure. There are cases where I sympathize a lot with the victims of civil asset forfeiture, but this is not one of them.

x0ra 11y ago
... but technically, weed is still a schedule 1 drug, so he is a criminal.
- sobkas 11y ago
  > ... but technically, weed is still a schedule 1 drug, so he is a criminal. So instead of charging him with any crimes, they just took his money? All the fun, without the need for that pesky innocent until proven guilty stuff? Nice.
joeax 11y ago
My 0.02. The fallacy in the shady argument is you're justifying a bigger wrong with the much smaller one. It's like saying "if she didn't want to be raped she shouldn't have worn that short skirt" (i.e. blaming the victim). It's guys like these, that although inadvertently, when they get snarled in asset forfeiture and choose to fight the system, they slowly induce change. And that matters. This is why states like Minnesota, New Mexico, and North Carolina, with Ohio on tap, are banning the practice before conviction. (Disclaimer: I don't downvote either. I can't downvote right now anyway, but I think it detracts from the conversation.)
glenra 11y ago
> not a soul on HN would dream of carrying 11k in cash through an airport. I've carried over $11k through an airport dozens of times and occasionally carried $30k or more. (I used to be involved with a professional blackjack team. :-) )
- dalke 11y ago
  Building on that, here's an article from 1997 about the collision of professional gambling and civil forfeiture - http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/launder.htm http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/launder.htm : > I had approximately $30K on me, but luckily I was wearing it. > The airline x-ray detected approximately 100,000 dollars in cash and casino chips. and a 2014 article titled "Poker Players Get Robbed Under Guise of Civil Asset Forfeiture" - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-players-who-had-100k-stolen-by-iowa-police-officers-talks-about-case http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-... : > The fancy legal term may be ‘civil asset forfeiture,’ but for a couple of poker players who saw Iowa police take $100,000 of their money it is just straight up robbery. > In April of last year, poker players William “Bart” Davis and John Newmerzhycky were driving west through Iowa with out-of-state plates after a poker road trip. In their car was a lot of cash,

by readme 11y ago

x0ra 11y ago

... but technically, weed is still a schedule 1 drug, so he is a criminal.

sobkas 11y ago
> ... but technically, weed is still a schedule 1 drug, so he is a criminal. So instead of charging him with any crimes, they just took his money? All the fun, without the need for that pesky innocent until proven guilty stuff? Nice.

joeax 11y ago

My 0.02. The fallacy in the shady argument is you're justifying a bigger wrong with the much smaller one. It's like saying "if she didn't want to be raped she shouldn't have worn that short skirt" (i.e. blaming the victim). It's guys like these, that although inadvertently, when they get snarled in asset forfeiture and choose to fight the system, they slowly induce change. And that matters. This is why states like Minnesota, New Mexico, and North Carolina, with Ohio on tap, are banning the practice before conviction. (Disclaimer: I don't downvote either. I can't downvote right now anyway, but I think it detracts from the conversation.)

glenra 11y ago

> not a soul on HN would dream of carrying 11k in cash through an airport. I've carried over $11k through an airport dozens of times and occasionally carried $30k or more. (I used to be involved with a professional blackjack team. :-) )

dalke 11y ago
Building on that, here's an article from 1997 about the collision of professional gambling and civil forfeiture - http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/launder.htm http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/launder.htm : > I had approximately $30K on me, but luckily I was wearing it. > The airline x-ray detected approximately 100,000 dollars in cash and casino chips. and a 2014 article titled "Poker Players Get Robbed Under Guise of Civil Asset Forfeiture" - http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-players-who-had-100k-stolen-by-iowa-police-officers-talks-about-case http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/17922-lawyer-for-poker-... : > The fancy legal term may be ‘civil asset forfeiture,’ but for a couple of poker players who saw Iowa police take $100,000 of their money it is just straight up robbery. > In April of last year, poker players William “Bart” Davis and John Newmerzhycky were driving west through Iowa with out-of-state plates after a poker road trip. In their car was a lot of cash,