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http://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/7464557748 http://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/7464557748 BDFL likes

by henryl 17y ago

ptn 17y ago
What does SGTM stand for?
- atarashi 17y ago
  What does SGTM stand for? Sounds good to me.
- Hexstream 17y ago
  In firefox, you can just type "slang sgtm" and you get to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sgtm http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sgtm It's the definitive quickreference on slang.
hyperbovine 17y ago
I imagine BDFL would do anything at this point to get Py3k jumpstarted.
- icey 17y ago
  Up until now, it didn't seem like there were that many compelling reasons to try to jump to Python 3 - most of the changes were for correctness. Something like this gives a tangible reason to at least consider the pain of a major upgrade.
  - Estragon 17y ago
    I pretty much can't jump until scipy does.
    - rmanocha 17y ago
      I think this will be the case with most people - they can't jump until the likes of Django/SA/scipy etc. move over to support Python 3.
- jnoller 17y ago
  That assumes any of us (BDFL included) are desperate to get it in production Right Now, which isn't true. However, backwards incompatibility is a tough pill to swallow and while Py3k is a cleaner, saner language it has still been a tough sell. This should give it a helpful kick in the pants.
  - sophacles 17y ago
    I honestly thought py3k wasnt being sold. As of the last pycon, there was a lot of talk of 'slow and steady py3k adoption'. The general roadmap assumed by most people I interact with is: at some point someone will make a killer feature with py3k and that will be the tipping point. Until then, 2.x doesn't stop being awesome just cuz 3 around.
    - dschobel 17y ago
      What is the killer app for python though? Django? numpy? I don't think it really has one, certainly not like the ruby/rails relationship.
      - bad_user 17y ago
        Don't forget the Natural Language Toolkit ( http://www.nltk.org/ http://www.nltk.org/ ). Rails is just a web framework. Killer? Yes. All you need for many apps? No. And yes, both Django and numpy are also killer packages ... with Django probably being the inspiration for merging Rails with Merb.
      - moe 17y ago
        Python might not have a single "killer-app", but it has a killer ecosystem, which I learned to value higher. Much of the joy in working with python comes from the "already written" effect. Libraries exist for almost any imaginable task, and it doesn't cease to surprise me how good the average code-quality is. It's extremely rare for me to run into a foul egg, which is a pleasant change from the platforms I've previously worked with.
        17y ago

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by henryl 17y ago

http://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/7464557748 http://twitter.com/gvanrossum/status/7464557748 BDFL likes

ptn 17y ago

What does SGTM stand for?

atarashi 17y ago
What does SGTM stand for? Sounds good to me.
Hexstream 17y ago
In firefox, you can just type "slang sgtm" and you get to http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sgtm http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sgtm It's the definitive quickreference on slang.

hyperbovine 17y ago

I imagine BDFL would do anything at this point to get Py3k jumpstarted.

icey 17y ago
Up until now, it didn't seem like there were that many compelling reasons to try to jump to Python 3 - most of the changes were for correctness. Something like this gives a tangible reason to at least consider the pain of a major upgrade.
- Estragon 17y ago
  I pretty much can't jump until scipy does.
  - rmanocha 17y ago
    I think this will be the case with most people - they can't jump until the likes of Django/SA/scipy etc. move over to support Python 3.
jnoller 17y ago
That assumes any of us (BDFL included) are desperate to get it in production Right Now, which isn't true. However, backwards incompatibility is a tough pill to swallow and while Py3k is a cleaner, saner language it has still been a tough sell. This should give it a helpful kick in the pants.
- sophacles 17y ago
  I honestly thought py3k wasnt being sold. As of the last pycon, there was a lot of talk of 'slow and steady py3k adoption'. The general roadmap assumed by most people I interact with is: at some point someone will make a killer feature with py3k and that will be the tipping point. Until then, 2.x doesn't stop being awesome just cuz 3 around.
  - dschobel 17y ago
    What is the killer app for python though? Django? numpy? I don't think it really has one, certainly not like the ruby/rails relationship.
    - bad_user 17y ago
      Don't forget the Natural Language Toolkit ( http://www.nltk.org/ http://www.nltk.org/ ). Rails is just a web framework. Killer? Yes. All you need for many apps? No. And yes, both Django and numpy are also killer packages ... with Django probably being the inspiration for merging Rails with Merb.
    - moe 17y ago
      Python might not have a single "killer-app", but it has a killer ecosystem, which I learned to value higher. Much of the joy in working with python comes from the "already written" effect. Libraries exist for almost any imaginable task, and it doesn't cease to surprise me how good the average code-quality is. It's extremely rare for me to run into a foul egg, which is a pleasant change from the platforms I've previously worked with.
      - 17y ago