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The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

by iamadam 11y ago

NhanH 11y ago
Yep, I don't know what Trump will lead US into (and I don't think it will necessary be worse than any other president in this day and age). But any mainstream candidate from GOP or Democrat will certainly lead to more TPP.
- unclebucknasty 11y ago
  It doesn't much matter who is in the role, as it is exactly that: a role. Even without conspiracy theories regarding secret cabals that rule the world from the shadows, there is overwhelming inertia baked into the system itself. A fairly recent study that I very vaguely recall pointed to this fact: the conclusion being that it is extraordinarily difficult to effect change within systems that are essentially self-perpetuating.
striking 11y ago
Or Bernie Sanders. They're both creative individuals that are willing to buck the trend and change things in the way they think is right rather than toeing the party line.
- NhanH 11y ago
  No they are not: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-tr... Notably #6 in the article.
  - striking 11y ago
    So Sanders gets less attention and is campaigning based on the facts rather than his personality. But although he tends to vote the same as many other Democrats, he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics. No one's bothered to fix that for a long time.
    - unclebucknasty 11y ago
      >he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics Which is exactly why he can't win: those moneyed interests have...money. Citizens United eviscerated of at least the appearance of a democracy.
      - zanny 11y ago
        Meanwhile, the DNC is ignoring Larry Lessing in any way it can, despite him meeting fund raising goals and being pretty much the third most serious contender since Biden has not even announced yet.
        dexterdog 11y ago
        Well we can't have any choice over there, can we? It's Hillary's turn god damn it.

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

by iamadam 11y ago

The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

NhanH 11y ago

Yep, I don't know what Trump will lead US into (and I don't think it will necessary be worse than any other president in this day and age). But any mainstream candidate from GOP or Democrat will certainly lead to more TPP.

unclebucknasty 11y ago
It doesn't much matter who is in the role, as it is exactly that: a role. Even without conspiracy theories regarding secret cabals that rule the world from the shadows, there is overwhelming inertia baked into the system itself. A fairly recent study that I very vaguely recall pointed to this fact: the conclusion being that it is extraordinarily difficult to effect change within systems that are essentially self-perpetuating.

striking 11y ago

Or Bernie Sanders. They're both creative individuals that are willing to buck the trend and change things in the way they think is right rather than toeing the party line.

NhanH 11y ago
No they are not: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-trump-and-bernie-sanders/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-tr... Notably #6 in the article.
- striking 11y ago
  So Sanders gets less attention and is campaigning based on the facts rather than his personality. But although he tends to vote the same as many other Democrats, he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics. No one's bothered to fix that for a long time.
  - unclebucknasty 11y ago
    >he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics Which is exactly why he can't win: those moneyed interests have...money. Citizens United eviscerated of at least the appearance of a democracy.
    - zanny 11y ago
      Meanwhile, the DNC is ignoring Larry Lessing in any way it can, despite him meeting fund raising goals and being pretty much the third most serious contender since Biden has not even announced yet.
      - dexterdog 11y ago
        Well we can't have any choice over there, can we? It's Hillary's turn god damn it.