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Legislation has done a real shitty job ensuring liberty. Where did CFAA reform go? Did Aaron Swartz killing himself change anything? That was the best effort le

by rabite 11y ago

Legislation has done a real shitty job ensuring liberty. Where did CFAA reform go? Did Aaron Swartz killing himself change anything? That was the best effort legislation was going to get, because Aaron was rich and well-connected and the bill had a bunch of lobbyists and PACs he worked with or were friends of his family pushing for it. It went nowhere. Legislation will not work. Only violence will.

derrickdirge 11y ago
But violence just makes it easier for the other side to vilify your side and completely disregard your original point. The story becomes 'people who think x are violent terrorists' and all of a sudden no one wants to admit they think x, or even discuss x from a rational standpoint. Everyone will just remember the violence.
- rabite 11y ago
  Sure, if you're the loser. Obviously such violent efforts need to destroy the current state and create a new one, or they're completely pointless. Perhaps not, though. Bill Ayers still ended up in a position of powerful political influence and mainstream academic acceptance even after he and his associates in the Weather Underground committed a number of terrorist bombings. If your ideological clique ends up in a position of significant state influence, you'll be forgiven your crimes, even if the state is not replaced in its totality.
  - AnimalMuppet 11y ago
    OK, free clue: You're the loser. So be careful about starting violence thinking that you're going to win and change everything. In a bit more detail: You're the loser with 99% probability. The only way you're going to win is by having an amazing plan, or getting amazingly lucky, or most likely some of both. That leaves two options: You lose and get crushed, or you don't make any change and it's irrelevant. For the rest of the world, it's better that you be in the second category, because you cause less damage that way. And, in fact, I think you are in the second category. You're talking big about "destroy[ing] the current state and creat[ing] a new one", about how "only violence will [work]." And what's your violence? You're publicizing the Ashley Madison info of people who you're mad at. Pathetic. But, in fact, I prefer pathetic big-talker do-nothings in this area, because they cause a smaller body count.
    - rabite 11y ago
      Now is the time for rhetoric. The future may perhaps become time for other strategies.
- PopeOfNope 11y ago
  Concern Troll acts awfully concerned. News at 11.

by rabite 11y ago

derrickdirge 11y ago

But violence just makes it easier for the other side to vilify your side and completely disregard your original point. The story becomes 'people who think x are violent terrorists' and all of a sudden no one wants to admit they think x, or even discuss x from a rational standpoint. Everyone will just remember the violence.

rabite 11y ago
Sure, if you're the loser. Obviously such violent efforts need to destroy the current state and create a new one, or they're completely pointless. Perhaps not, though. Bill Ayers still ended up in a position of powerful political influence and mainstream academic acceptance even after he and his associates in the Weather Underground committed a number of terrorist bombings. If your ideological clique ends up in a position of significant state influence, you'll be forgiven your crimes, even if the state is not replaced in its totality.
- AnimalMuppet 11y ago
  OK, free clue: You're the loser. So be careful about starting violence thinking that you're going to win and change everything. In a bit more detail: You're the loser with 99% probability. The only way you're going to win is by having an amazing plan, or getting amazingly lucky, or most likely some of both. That leaves two options: You lose and get crushed, or you don't make any change and it's irrelevant. For the rest of the world, it's better that you be in the second category, because you cause less damage that way. And, in fact, I think you are in the second category. You're talking big about "destroy[ing] the current state and creat[ing] a new one", about how "only violence will [work]." And what's your violence? You're publicizing the Ashley Madison info of people who you're mad at. Pathetic. But, in fact, I prefer pathetic big-talker do-nothings in this area, because they cause a smaller body count.
  - rabite 11y ago
    Now is the time for rhetoric. The future may perhaps become time for other strategies.
PopeOfNope 11y ago
Concern Troll acts awfully concerned. News at 11.