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I've been nothing short of respectful in tryimg to explore this issue. Resorting to personal attacks won't get you anywhere. OK, we are done. Thanks.

dalke 11y ago
I have been attacking the quality of your questions and research. Not you personally. This practice is called criticism. In regards JAQing off behavior, the related term "sealioning" is relevant. Quoting from http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions : > Sealioning involves jumping into a conversation with endless questions and demands for answers, usually of entry-level topics far below the actual conversation ... The questions themselves, when done properly, are normally polite - just an irrelevant distraction. You can see that "nothing short of respectful" is therefore expected behavior for someone who is "just asking questions". You'll also note the caution: > A particularly toxic thing about sealioning is that people who are genuine newbies asking serious questions are easy to mistake for sealions. Based on your comment history you do not seem to be a "genuine newbie." I of course may be wrong, in which case my apologies. If that is the case, you may wish to investigate this rhetorical style in order to avoid structuring your investigatory question in a similar fashion, to avoid having others in the future respond with similar knee-jerk reactions. However, note that earlier in this thread you said: > "To clarify further, I am not for or against guns. I am completely neutral about them." while 74 days ago, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956552 , you wrote: > This is (some of) what I want for humanity: ... > - No guns which appears to mean that you are, actually, against guns. As you said then, "Each one of those line items could be a months-long discussion as to the merits, or lack thereof, of the idea", so you must realize that the questions you ask now fundamentally cannot be addressed to your satisfaction on HN. Which further strengthens my belief that you were not asking these questions here in good faith.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  First, find something better to do. Second, you picked that completely out of context, yet there's nothing wrong with wishing humanity didn't have guns or wars. It's utopia. Outside utopia, in the real world, I am neutral. I enjoy target and skeet shooting with my kids and friends, that's about the extent of it. I don't care about personal protection. Don't need guns for that. Third, you must be young. I learned the Socratic Method when I was in high school decades ago. It's a productive and non-confrontational way to engage in conversations where we can both discover our positions and, perhaps, but not necessarily, guide each other towards conclusions. I've had many amazing discoveries in my life through this approach. And, no, I am not always correct. Anyhow, I wanted to have a genuine conversation with you and the original person to whom I asked that simple question. Instead it turned into a lot of wasted effort. It would have been far simpler to answer (or ignore) the simple question and engage (or not) in an exploration of ideas, which can be very enjoyable. BTW, I own several companies. We engage in this kind of exploration every day in order to discover flaws or new ideas in the various projects we undertake. It is a really productive way to explore corners of thinking or areas previously not well understood. Another method is the "five why's". I haven't really used it much so I can't comment. JAQ-ing off, sealioning,..., please.

dalke 11y ago

I have been attacking the quality of your questions and research. Not you personally. This practice is called criticism. In regards JAQing off behavior, the related term "sealioning" is relevant. Quoting from http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions : > Sealioning involves jumping into a conversation with endless questions and demands for answers, usually of entry-level topics far below the actual conversation ... The questions themselves, when done properly, are normally polite - just an irrelevant distraction. You can see that "nothing short of respectful" is therefore expected behavior for someone who is "just asking questions". You'll also note the caution: > A particularly toxic thing about sealioning is that people who are genuine newbies asking serious questions are easy to mistake for sealions. Based on your comment history you do not seem to be a "genuine newbie." I of course may be wrong, in which case my apologies. If that is the case, you may wish to investigate this rhetorical style in order to avoid structuring your investigatory question in a similar fashion, to avoid having others in the future respond with similar knee-jerk reactions. However, note that earlier in this thread you said: > "To clarify further, I am not for or against guns. I am completely neutral about them." while 74 days ago, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9956552 , you wrote: > This is (some of) what I want for humanity: ... > - No guns which appears to mean that you are, actually, against guns. As you said then, "Each one of those line items could be a months-long discussion as to the merits, or lack thereof, of the idea", so you must realize that the questions you ask now fundamentally cannot be addressed to your satisfaction on HN. Which further strengthens my belief that you were not asking these questions here in good faith.

rebootthesystem 11y ago
First, find something better to do. Second, you picked that completely out of context, yet there's nothing wrong with wishing humanity didn't have guns or wars. It's utopia. Outside utopia, in the real world, I am neutral. I enjoy target and skeet shooting with my kids and friends, that's about the extent of it. I don't care about personal protection. Don't need guns for that. Third, you must be young. I learned the Socratic Method when I was in high school decades ago. It's a productive and non-confrontational way to engage in conversations where we can both discover our positions and, perhaps, but not necessarily, guide each other towards conclusions. I've had many amazing discoveries in my life through this approach. And, no, I am not always correct. Anyhow, I wanted to have a genuine conversation with you and the original person to whom I asked that simple question. Instead it turned into a lot of wasted effort. It would have been far simpler to answer (or ignore) the simple question and engage (or not) in an exploration of ideas, which can be very enjoyable. BTW, I own several companies. We engage in this kind of exploration every day in order to discover flaws or new ideas in the various projects we undertake. It is a really productive way to explore corners of thinking or areas previously not well understood. Another method is the "five why's". I haven't really used it much so I can't comment. JAQ-ing off, sealioning,..., please.