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Weev threatens prosecutors with info from Ashley Madison leaks
- jula 11y agoi don't care what a racist neo nazi thinks
- alexandercrohde 11y agoThat's ad-hominem.
- arbitrage 11y agoThis is not a formal debate.
- alexandercrohde 11y agoAre you saying that we therefore shouldn't mind the ad-hominem bias?
- Karunamon 11y agoIt's still irrelevant to the question about the correctness of what he's saying. If you don't care what he had to think, your comment is both paradoxical and non-contributive.
- dogma1138 11y agoNo this isn't an ad-hominem, because the person, and his actions are in question here not his position. If he was talking about global warming and some on said that yes that would count as an ad-hominem but not in this case. People are too often drawn into calling ad-hominems where the person in question is a material part of the issue and this is a logical fallacy. You won't tell some one commenting about Trump that they are making ad-hominems because, his experience, his world views and his personality are quite material to the debate.
- airza 11y agothe entire concept about calling federal prosecutors adulterous is also an ad-hominem by those standards 8^)
- amyjess 11y agoOh, I agree that Weev is pure, unmitigated slime (hey, I'm a Jewish girl, so he already hates me on two accounts), but I think it's newsworthy that people are using the Ashley Madison data to harass law-enforcement officials they've run afoul of.
- rabite 11y agoI don't hate you, I just think you belong in the kitchen. Because that's where the oven is, Jew. ;D
- tomjen3 11y agoWhy would they not? I mean this is all fairly predictable (I considered going through it to see if I could dig anything up no the swine who cold-bloodly murdered Aaron Swartz, but then I realized that going against a prosecutor probably wasn't the best idea). Also don't bother telling me he killing himself. That doesn't make her any less guilty.
- alexandercrohde 11y agoOne the one hand, it's pretty clear that "Weev"'s reaction is emotional, ethically questionable, and not an effective way to build sympathy toward reform. But on the other hand maybe that's too much to ask of a man who was imprisoned for 3 years.
- amyjess 11y agoHe wasn't exactly the most ethically-upright, sympathetic person before his imprisonment, either. Before the whole hacking charges thing happened, he was mostly known for being a vocal misogynist and antisemite. He has a history of doxxing women, too (even to the point of posting Kathy Sierra's social security number online).
- alexandercrohde 11y agoI'm not sure what character has to do with anything. I think the real story here is how emotions (both by Weev and prosecutors) interfere with our ability to give all equal justice.
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- trhway 11y ago>That's one big issue I have with the hacker ethos, where societal merit is based on quality of code and not quality of character. The real world does not work that way. isn't the quality of character exactly at the issue here? Btw, on quality of code as a proxy to mental capabilities vs. quality of character - people stupid enough to use their real names in such situations like AM obviously don't have enough mental capability to distinguish between what is good and what is bad and act accordingly, ie. they obviously don't have the capability to have quality of character.
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- celticninja 11y agobut being a jerk is not, as yet, illegal. additionally its not as if quality of character is a factor in non hacker circles or society at large anyway. if it was perhaps we wouldnt see so many corrupt/immoral (usually by their own standards) politicians, judges, police etc
- nitrogen 11y agoOne of the problems with quality of character is that there is no objective standard for character. There are consequentialists, deontologists, religionists, etc. each with their own idea of what a "quality character" might be.
- tomjen3 11y agoThe real world doesn't have to work that way for the Hacker Ethos to work. Anyway I don't care how or why Weev is locked away - convict him of the JFK assassination for all I care - some of us still remember what he did to Kathy Sierra and will never forgive him.
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- jerf 11y agoSo, the threat is that Weev is going to take public information and make it... public? Basically, the threat unpacks to "I'm going to use the fact that I'm newsworthy to make already-public information more public by putting it in the news." To which I would suggest that our clickbait-driven, eyeball-obsessed media should find it ethical to decline to participate in such shenanigans. Though my phrasing should suggest what I consider the odds of that to be. They really shouldn't even have run this, and, well, they did, didn't they?
- roflchoppa 11y agoIt's public, but I myself have not gone through the records searching for people. This dude is hella salty. If we wanted to make change he should try to change legislation.
- comrh 11y agoHe doesn't. Just wants the publicity and to hurt people he feels have "wronged" him.
- rabite 11y agoLegislation has done a real shitty job ensuring liberty. Where did CFAA reform go? Did Aaron Swartz killing himself change anything? That was the best effort legislation was going to get, because Aaron was rich and well-connected and the bill had a bunch of lobbyists and PACs he worked with or were friends of his family pushing for it. It went nowhere. Legislation will not work. Only violence will.
- derrickdirge 11y agoBut violence just makes it easier for the other side to vilify your side and completely disregard your original point. The story becomes 'people who think x are violent terrorists' and all of a sudden no one wants to admit they think x, or even discuss x from a rational standpoint. Everyone will just remember the violence.