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I don't agree. The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. It is about the effects, not whether it is a new stimulus that caused those effects.

by 357467 11y ago

ceejayoz 11y ago
> The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. The human body won't tell you to avoid lifelong tanning to avoid cancer in your 60s, because living to your 60s isn't all that evolutionarily important (and hell, likely made you a drain on your hunter-gatherer tribe). There's no selection pressure.
- seren 11y ago
  > (and hell, likely made you a drain on your hunter-gatherer tribe) Apparently there are some arguments that having elders around was a boon for prehistoric tribes. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderly-survived http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-m... I don't know how much this is validated, but thought it was interesting nonetheless because it seems counter intuitive at first.
  - ceejayoz 11y ago
    Definitely interesting, but they're talking about "elder" being living past 30. I'm not sure that holds in the realm of cancer and knee replacements, though.
357467 11y ago
I used the sun example because a few years ago scientist had everyone avoiding the sun and now they have realised that sun exposure is important. Scientists literally have no idea what they are doing. Tans look good and the sun feels good. That is what guides me and it is a much more reliable source of knowledge than science.
- Kristine1975 11y ago
  >a few years ago scientist had everyone avoiding the sun I'm somewhat doubtful of this claim. If anything scientists would have everyone avoid sunburn since skin cancer and cataracts. Tans looking good are a recent phenomenon: A couple hundred years ago light skin was a sign of high status since you could afford to stay indoors instead of having to work in the fields, so light skin was deemed to be more beautiful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color#Social_status.2C_colorism_and_racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color#Social_status...
- 357463 11y ago
  Err no. There were specific campaigns that said tans were unhealthy. You still seem to believe this and think that tanned skin only seems attractive due to cultural factors. Are you also going to say that big boobs are only attractive because of cultural factors?
- scoreponok 11y ago
  So your personal, cultural instilled, biased intuitions is what drives you? And you think this is more reliably than science? A methodology designed to control for such things, that has brought us antibiotics, vaccines, pretty much all of modern medicine. You know what else feels good? Cocaine, but that doesn't mean it's good for me. The dangers of tanning isn't something invented by colluding scientists and Hawaiian tropic made up to push more sun tan lotion. It's testable and repeatable scientific fact that the sun emits harmful UV radiation that can cause premature aging, cancer etc etc.

I don't agree. The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. It is about the effects, not whether it is a new stimulus that caused those effects.

by 357467 11y ago

I don't agree. The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. It is about the effects, not whether it is a new stimulus that caused those effects.

ceejayoz 11y ago

> The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. The human body won't tell you to avoid lifelong tanning to avoid cancer in your 60s, because living to your 60s isn't all that evolutionarily important (and hell, likely made you a drain on your hunter-gatherer tribe). There's no selection pressure.

seren 11y ago
> (and hell, likely made you a drain on your hunter-gatherer tribe) Apparently there are some arguments that having elders around was a boon for prehistoric tribes. http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-man-helped-as-elderly-survived http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/jul/24/prehistoric-m... I don't know how much this is validated, but thought it was interesting nonetheless because it seems counter intuitive at first.
- ceejayoz 11y ago
  Definitely interesting, but they're talking about "elder" being living past 30. I'm not sure that holds in the realm of cancer and knee replacements, though.

357467 11y ago

I used the sun example because a few years ago scientist had everyone avoiding the sun and now they have realised that sun exposure is important. Scientists literally have no idea what they are doing. Tans look good and the sun feels good. That is what guides me and it is a much more reliable source of knowledge than science.

Kristine1975 11y ago
>a few years ago scientist had everyone avoiding the sun I'm somewhat doubtful of this claim. If anything scientists would have everyone avoid sunburn since skin cancer and cataracts. Tans looking good are a recent phenomenon: A couple hundred years ago light skin was a sign of high status since you could afford to stay indoors instead of having to work in the fields, so light skin was deemed to be more beautiful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color#Social_status.2C_colorism_and_racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color#Social_status...
357463 11y ago
Err no. There were specific campaigns that said tans were unhealthy. You still seem to believe this and think that tanned skin only seems attractive due to cultural factors. Are you also going to say that big boobs are only attractive because of cultural factors?
scoreponok 11y ago
So your personal, cultural instilled, biased intuitions is what drives you? And you think this is more reliably than science? A methodology designed to control for such things, that has brought us antibiotics, vaccines, pretty much all of modern medicine. You know what else feels good? Cocaine, but that doesn't mean it's good for me. The dangers of tanning isn't something invented by colluding scientists and Hawaiian tropic made up to push more sun tan lotion. It's testable and repeatable scientific fact that the sun emits harmful UV radiation that can cause premature aging, cancer etc etc.