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What about RSS? That offered good performance, was widely adopted and was a real standard working for both publishers and consumers. Remember who actually kill
by ducuboy 11y ago
What about RSS? That offered good performance, was widely adopted and was a real standard working for both publishers and consumers.
Remember who actually killed it? Yeah, that was also Google.. by discontinuing their Reader - a very good tool with lots of users but no revenue. That's how much open standards matter. Too bad @aaronsw is not around anymore, he would have said something about AMP.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoI was as annoyed as the next person when Google killed Reader but, to be honest, RSS was killed off for typical users way before that when browser manufacturers dropped/hid support for it. I still use RSS every day, as do many of our customers.
- ducuboy 11y agoIndeed, also Google Chrome.
- magicalist 11y agoChrome never had support. RSS support was always (and still is) from extensions.
- eloisant 11y agoNot just browsers, but Facebook and Twitter both killed their RSS feed at some point. That's much worse than Google killing Reader, because reader is just a reader, you can still switch to a different one. If the source doesn't provide an RSS feed, there's not much you can do.
- eloisant 11y agoNot just browsers, but Facebook and Twitter both killed their RSS feed at some point. That's much worse than Google killing Reader, because reader is just a reader, you can still switch to a different one. If the source doesn't provide an RSS feed, there's not much you can do.
- coldtea 11y ago>Remember who actually killed it? Yeah, that was also Google.. by discontinuing their Reader - a very good tool with lots of users but no revenue. If a single company killing a sigle product could kill RSS, then it wasn't that alive in the first place. The fact is, after 10 years of RSS being available in blogs, news sites and elsewhere, Reader still had an insignificant number of users in the web scale of things. A few tens of millions (all estimates put it in the low tens, like 20 to 40 millions).
- ducuboy 11y agoOk but that still shows how much Google cares about open standards. And did you just say "few tens of millions" of users is insignificant? How many users are we here on Hacker News again?
- GFischer 11y agoIt's, ironically, a case of the "embrace and extinguish" philosophy that Microsoft was reviled for. I remember reading posts by several people which said they weren't going to build a RSS reader because they didn't want to compete with Google Reader.. and then they went ahead and killed it. RSS didn't really "take off" with mainstream users (I guess today's equivalent is Twitter), but it filled an interesting niche. RSS -> Twitter Usenet -> many proprietary platforms IRC -> Slack XMPP never took off Many open, interoperable services died off or never took off, but companies built similar services and are enjoying success.
- bitwize 11y agoAs a distributed platform, the internet has failed. The solution is to rebuild the OS and network from the ground up: http//www.urbit.org /s
- woah 11y agoUrbit looks cool, but it will not magically make things distributed. What causes centralization are business factors. It's just a lot easier to build a great product if you have a revenue source, which is most easily acquired if you can lock people into paying for your proprietary thing. Also, it's a lot easier to make good protocol decisions if you don't have to get them published into a standard and deal with the beauracracy etc. If you look at the level of polish in slack vs one of the many previous open source irc clients, the difference is clear. It helps to have money.
- cramforce 11y agoThis is kind of orthogonal to RSS. AMP and RSS work great together. Your feed reader can detect that the feed item URL has an AMP alternate and chose to display that instead.
- ttepasse 11y agoHow? Multiple <link>-Element as in Atom with special rel-values? Or a link in the already linked HTML page? There's nothing on that in the Github Wiki and neither on the project page. The superset of HTML is specced, yes, but information on the containing ecosystem is spare.
- cramforce 11y agoYep, we're not done. Being careful with defining this finally because it can basically never be changed. Follow the project for details.
- bmn_ 11y agoRSS never was an open standard like you would expect from a real standards organisation, e.g. IETF or W3C. Because of dominance posturing and fights between the multiple parties involved in the development of RSS, it is a train wreck of ad-hoccery and incompatibilities, and serves as a prime example of how not to do things. https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/incompatible-rss https://web.archive.org/web/2004/http://diveintomark.org/arc... > Remember who actually killed it? Atom.