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I wonder why vowels ever evolved. It doesn't seem to make any sense to have the same words mean different things if you can just make a different word. After al
by ketralnis 11y ago
I wonder why vowels ever evolved. It doesn't seem to make any sense to have the same words mean different things if you can just make a different word. After all, what's really the difference between bat and bet and bit and bot and but? It's clearly all the same word!
Sarcasm aside though, a whole lot of languages are tonal. Most languages spoken in Asia and many African ones are. And you use tone too: what's the difference between "You there." and "You there?" and "You there!". It just serves a different purpose in English than it does in Chinese so it seems less mysterious to an English speaker.
The only tonal language I can really speak about is Mandarin (although I encourage you to read about other systems). The way the tones work in Mandarin isn't as complicated as it sounds. The classic example is this[1]:
1. mā (妈, mother). This sounds like a somewhat high-pitched, steady tone
2. má (麻, hemp). This is called a rising tone, and it sounds sort of like the end of a question in English
3. mǎ (马, horse). This tone falls and then rises (sort of like a #4 then a #2). Imagine a whiny child saying "mooooom!" to get their mom's attention
4. mà (骂, scold). This tone falls quickly, it sounds like in the movies when someone shouts "Hey!" at a robber that's getting away
5. ma (吗, an interrogative particle). This is a neutral tone, its sound depends mostly on the syllable before it but in isolation it either falls slightly or sounds like an English "toneless" syllable.
Mandarin only has those 5 tones, it's not like "ma" can sound fifteen different ways. They aren't differentiated by the pitch itself exactly, it's whether the pitch is rising or falling.
A Chinese speaker might describe the difference between má and mà the same way you'd describe the difference between "bet" and "bit" to a speaker of a language that doesn't differentiate those vowels. Sort of like rhyming, but not quite. As an easier example, Spanish doesn't really have a contrastive /ɪ/ as in "bit", so a Spanish speaker might have the same trouble differentiating or producing it without some practise that you might have doing the same to má or mǎ.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)#Mechanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_(linguistics)#Mechanics
- aianus 11y ago> I wonder why vowels ever evolved. Is Chinese missing vowels? Usually complexity increases because it confers some kind of evolutionary advantage.
- PepeGomez 11y agoHow is pitch more complex than vowels?
- ketralnis 11y ago> evolutionary advantage Language doesn't follow the same rules as biological evolution. For instance, prestige dialects often cause people to opt to use a less useful language for social status reasons. Pidgins can create amalgamated languages with essentially random features of the parent languages. Many language changes really confer no "benefit" at all, like a change from agglutination to strict word order (and back again).
- PepeGomez 11y ago>Most languages spoken in Asia and many African ones are. It's the other way around: http://wals.info/feature/13A#2/28.6/152.8 http://wals.info/feature/13A#2/28.6/152.8