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The third reich seems to have developed a relationship with Ephedra and Poppy (plus tobacco of course). And we saw the consequences of that. I've always been

The third reich seems to have developed a relationship with Ephedra and Poppy (plus tobacco of course). And we saw the consequences of that. I've always been fascinated by the impact of various drug-containing plants on humanity and it's history. Plants, because most drugs are extracted or synthesised from them. Shamans say that it is the 'essence' or 'spirit' of the plant that is psychoactive - you're 'inviting' another 'being' into your consciousness. Those who smoked pot have probably noticed the alternative or alien 'voice' which appears in your head and makes you think and say funny things or think paranoid thoughts. This happens with all drugs - the drug (or, in shamanic terms - the spirit of the plant) becomes one's invisible councillor - an interlocutor in the user's internal dialogue. Take tobacco - the act of smoking a cigarette is an act of 'conversing' with the plant, an act of thinking and taking decisions. Notice the impact that tobacco has had on the development of the human race - it's impossible to claim that it was responsible for all our progress, but somehow it was present in the pipes of Einstein and Oppenheimer and in the cigars smoked after a successful space mission. It was also present in the trenches of wars. Today our world is more drugged than it has ever been. Besides all the classes of illegal drugs, we also have people eating tens of thousands of various synthetic chemicals - prescription drugs - and of course making all sorts of combinations between them. What will the consequence of this chemical experimentation end up being ? Time will tell. Clearly we're doing some radical changes to how our minds and bodies work and this has a direct impact on how our society looks and behaves and what decisions are being made.

duaneb 11y ago
>Those who smoked pot have probably noticed the alternative or alien 'voice' which appears in your head and makes you think and say funny things or think paranoid thoughts. I have never experienced this. Marijuana can exacerbate existing schizophrenia or expose it. If you hear voices after consuming it, I would talk to a doctor. It can be a quite strong drug, but it does not typically cause clear, audial hallucinations. (I would more describe it as distorting and/or decomposing the audio perception, kind of like the visuals you get from lsd. Pretty, but certainly not meaningful by itself.) But, I've watched someone go through a psychotic breakdown when smoking weed the first time. They were not aware of their family history of schizophrenia until after that happened and they asked around. Be careful. :)
- codeshaman 11y ago
  It's not necessarily 'that' kind of voice. We all have a little voice in our heads. If you haven't noticed it, it's the voice that said 'what voice?' right now. It's the voice we're in a perpetual dialog with all the time. Somehow 'that' voice is not you - it's something you're talking to, it examines and comments everything you do, it gives you advice, but you are not it. When you use a drug, 'you' stay the same, it's 'that' voice which is affected by it.
  - duaneb 11y ago
    God, so complicated. Just say weed makes you paranoid. No need to anthropomorphize our thoughts.
- spacehome 11y ago
  > It can be a quite strong drug, but it does not typically cause clear, audial hallucinations. I think it's known to, but you have to take a lot of it.
keeringplastik 11y ago
Uh-oh. If recent legalization expands, and results in Bill O'Reilly's nightmare nation of "stoned slackers", will America be psychologically prepared to deal with Putin? Or Xi? We are doomed! Also, I don't hear any (new) voices when I smoke, but I would agree that psylocybin is very much like communication with an alien "other" consciousness. Or maybe I've just read too much Terrance McKenna.
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duaneb 11y ago

>Those who smoked pot have probably noticed the alternative or alien 'voice' which appears in your head and makes you think and say funny things or think paranoid thoughts. I have never experienced this. Marijuana can exacerbate existing schizophrenia or expose it. If you hear voices after consuming it, I would talk to a doctor. It can be a quite strong drug, but it does not typically cause clear, audial hallucinations. (I would more describe it as distorting and/or decomposing the audio perception, kind of like the visuals you get from lsd. Pretty, but certainly not meaningful by itself.) But, I've watched someone go through a psychotic breakdown when smoking weed the first time. They were not aware of their family history of schizophrenia until after that happened and they asked around. Be careful. :)

codeshaman 11y ago
It's not necessarily 'that' kind of voice. We all have a little voice in our heads. If you haven't noticed it, it's the voice that said 'what voice?' right now. It's the voice we're in a perpetual dialog with all the time. Somehow 'that' voice is not you - it's something you're talking to, it examines and comments everything you do, it gives you advice, but you are not it. When you use a drug, 'you' stay the same, it's 'that' voice which is affected by it.
- duaneb 11y ago
  God, so complicated. Just say weed makes you paranoid. No need to anthropomorphize our thoughts.
spacehome 11y ago
> It can be a quite strong drug, but it does not typically cause clear, audial hallucinations. I think it's known to, but you have to take a lot of it.

keeringplastik 11y ago

Uh-oh. If recent legalization expands, and results in Bill O'Reilly's nightmare nation of "stoned slackers", will America be psychologically prepared to deal with Putin? Or Xi? We are doomed! Also, I don't hear any (new) voices when I smoke, but I would agree that psylocybin is very much like communication with an alien "other" consciousness. Or maybe I've just read too much Terrance McKenna.

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