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What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? If you smoke crack on a regular basis, you're a crackhead, regardless of whether you identify as one

by henning 19y ago

What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? If you smoke crack on a regular basis, you're a crackhead, regardless of whether you identify as one or not. Denial is irrelevant. Some straight men are celibate. They still get called "heterosexual", though. Straight men who are not celibate are not called "men who have sex with women" (MSW?).

rms 19y ago
>What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? Well... this is mostly semantics here, but the term MSM is what makes the denial irrelevant.
curi 19y ago
maybe they have sex with women, too. then "gay" doesn't fit so well.
mnemonicsloth 19y ago
> What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? They might be bisexual. The be trans-something. They might have other problems that make the sex and gender of their sex partners irrelevant: http://www1.villagevoice.com/people/0804,savage,78927,24.html http://www1.villagevoice.com/people/0804,savage,78927,24.htm... There is a good answer to your question having to do with the semiotics of sex and gender which is practical, smart, and important in day-to-day life (even if the people who wrote it all want to dig up the remains of Jacques Derrida so they can stare at his navel some more). I'm not going post it here because you probably don't want to read it, but you should know that the people who look down their noses at you for saying stuff like this aren't just doing it because of some feel-good PC nonsense.
cglee 19y ago
Someone once told me you're only gay if you fall in love with a man. Having sex doesn't mean anything except you had sex with a man.
dreish 19y ago
> Some straight men are celibate. They still get called "heterosexual", though. Straight men who are not celibate are not called "men who have sex with women" (MSW?). In fact, they are. Straight men who _are_ celibate would not be called MSW, and would not be at risk of contracting an STD. Did you bother to think this through before popping off about the use of what turns out to be the correct terminology?

by henning 19y ago

rms 19y ago

>What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? Well... this is mostly semantics here, but the term MSM is what makes the denial irrelevant.

curi 19y ago

maybe they have sex with women, too. then "gay" doesn't fit so well.

mnemonicsloth 19y ago

> What does it matter if they don't consider themselves gay? They might be bisexual. The be trans-something. They might have other problems that make the sex and gender of their sex partners irrelevant: http://www1.villagevoice.com/people/0804,savage,78927,24.html http://www1.villagevoice.com/people/0804,savage,78927,24.htm... There is a good answer to your question having to do with the semiotics of sex and gender which is practical, smart, and important in day-to-day life (even if the people who wrote it all want to dig up the remains of Jacques Derrida so they can stare at his navel some more). I'm not going post it here because you probably don't want to read it, but you should know that the people who look down their noses at you for saying stuff like this aren't just doing it because of some feel-good PC nonsense.

cglee 19y ago

Someone once told me you're only gay if you fall in love with a man. Having sex doesn't mean anything except you had sex with a man.

dreish 19y ago

> Some straight men are celibate. They still get called "heterosexual", though. Straight men who are not celibate are not called "men who have sex with women" (MSW?). In fact, they are. Straight men who _are_ celibate would not be called MSW, and would not be at risk of contracting an STD. Did you bother to think this through before popping off about the use of what turns out to be the correct terminology?