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I'm expecting SystemDos any month now. Let's see he can take over cron and make it 10 times more complicated... what else is left...

by ck2 11y ago

dijit 11y ago
They have a bootloader now. I'm sure this is very beneficial for certain types of people.. my developer friends who are becoming sysadmins by way of 'devops' like systemd quite a lot. Me? I've gone to freeBSD for personal things; until Apple successfully pushes launchd upstream.. If you want to see how far spread systemd is actually becoming install arch linux using the official guides.. it's very easy to set up- but you definitely can see how it's "everything that isn't linux that your computer needs to be functional"- I'm sure they'll have a wayland fork in no time.
- simoncion 11y ago
  > They have a bootloader now. The systemd people have a Grub/Grub2/LILO replacement!? Would you be so kind as to link to details? :)
  - creshal 11y ago
    gummiboot has been integrated as reference implementation of systemd's bootloader interface. It's (unsurprisingly) much simpler than GRUB2 (as is every other bootloader in past, present, and presumably the near future).
  - mburns 11y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software) now called systemd-boot
- oofabz 11y ago
  Apple shipped launchd and made it open source ten years ago. They did their part, it's now FreeBSD's job to integrate the code.
  - dijit 11y ago
    my point was that apple is trying to push them into integrating it.. but obviously I don't want that- and most sane people don't want that either.
    - JdeBP 11y ago
      Don't erroneously conflate Jordan Hubbard with Apple. I also reject your mischaracterization of desiring launchd being a mark of insanity.
      - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
        Further still, jkh's primary dominion is over iXsystems products, not upstream FreeBSD itself. For instance, he's not on the FreeBSD Foundation's Board of Directors despite being a high-profile figure. On the other hand, though desiring launchd is not insanity, I do consider it hasty and not well thought out, as you might know.
semi-extrinsic 11y ago
I'm still waiting on systemd getting its own text editor, with keybindings that are a random combination of emacs and vim ones, at which point all config files will switch to a binary format that cannot be read by normal editors.
- thescribe 11y ago
  Why stop with a text editor? A binary source code format separate from the binary text format.
- aexaey 11y ago
  Following that logic, it would make more sense for systemd team to get an own language, something with traits of rust, go and haskell, and port everything to that, at which point it wouldn't be much of a stretch to drop libc and with it all support for "unsafe" languages.
Jach 11y ago
Me too. I've been waiting since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7536375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7536375 He could always go into hardware.

I'm expecting SystemDos any month now. Let's see he can take over cron and make it 10 times more complicated... what else is left...

by ck2 11y ago

I'm expecting SystemDos any month now. Let's see he can take over cron and make it 10 times more complicated... what else is left...

dijit 11y ago

They have a bootloader now. I'm sure this is very beneficial for certain types of people.. my developer friends who are becoming sysadmins by way of 'devops' like systemd quite a lot. Me? I've gone to freeBSD for personal things; until Apple successfully pushes launchd upstream.. If you want to see how far spread systemd is actually becoming install arch linux using the official guides.. it's very easy to set up- but you definitely can see how it's "everything that isn't linux that your computer needs to be functional"- I'm sure they'll have a wayland fork in no time.

simoncion 11y ago
> They have a bootloader now. The systemd people have a Grub/Grub2/LILO replacement!? Would you be so kind as to link to details? :)
- creshal 11y ago
  gummiboot has been integrated as reference implementation of systemd's bootloader interface. It's (unsurprisingly) much simpler than GRUB2 (as is every other bootloader in past, present, and presumably the near future).
- mburns 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gummiboot_(software) now called systemd-boot
oofabz 11y ago
Apple shipped launchd and made it open source ten years ago. They did their part, it's now FreeBSD's job to integrate the code.
- dijit 11y ago
  my point was that apple is trying to push them into integrating it.. but obviously I don't want that- and most sane people don't want that either.
  - JdeBP 11y ago
    Don't erroneously conflate Jordan Hubbard with Apple. I also reject your mischaracterization of desiring launchd being a mark of insanity.
    - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
      Further still, jkh's primary dominion is over iXsystems products, not upstream FreeBSD itself. For instance, he's not on the FreeBSD Foundation's Board of Directors despite being a high-profile figure. On the other hand, though desiring launchd is not insanity, I do consider it hasty and not well thought out, as you might know.

semi-extrinsic 11y ago

I'm still waiting on systemd getting its own text editor, with keybindings that are a random combination of emacs and vim ones, at which point all config files will switch to a binary format that cannot be read by normal editors.

thescribe 11y ago
Why stop with a text editor? A binary source code format separate from the binary text format.
aexaey 11y ago
Following that logic, it would make more sense for systemd team to get an own language, something with traits of rust, go and haskell, and port everything to that, at which point it wouldn't be much of a stretch to drop libc and with it all support for "unsafe" languages.

Jach 11y ago

Me too. I've been waiting since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7536375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7536375 He could always go into hardware.