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In my country Audi says the cars using the engine are "technically safe to use and drive". I did report that to the consumer oversight board. I believe it's fal

by acd 11y ago

In my country Audi says the cars using the engine are "technically safe to use and drive". I did report that to the consumer oversight board. I believe it's false marketing, the cars are a danger to pedestrians and cyclists outside the car. I believe it's lies upon lies from the upper management seems like a corporate culture going wrong.

illumen 11y ago
There's clear evidence that many cities throughout Europe have too high air pollution, and that it kills close to what smoking does. Cities have been ordered by the EU to clean up by the end of the year, or face harsh fines. Over 80,000 people die in the UK per year (smoking kills 100,000). Mostly from diesel engine pollution. Now try to think how many people it kills in the rest of Europe, the USA and the world? Cars (and buses) stink, are noisy, and worse -- they kill on a massive scale. There is alternative tech available for order now that doesn't kill as much, and provides better service. Demand that the killing machines are replaced, and the makers, and the users are brought to justice if they don't! http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-9500-people-die-each-year-in-london-because-of-air-pollution-study http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-95...
- Karunamon 11y ago
  That's evidence of pollution in general being a problem, which isn't even in the same ballpark as establishing culpability for any amount of deaths for an extra amount of one kind of pollutant by one carmaker over a fixed time period.
  - illumen 11y ago
    See what was published just days before the VW scandal in Nature. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7569/full/nature15371.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7569/full/nature1...
    - Karunamon 11y ago
      Correct me if I'm wrong, but that article talks about particulate emissions, something which even the cheating VWs don't have a problem with - the datapoint that led to this whole thing coming to light were high NOx emissions, not particulates.

by acd 11y ago

illumen 11y ago

There's clear evidence that many cities throughout Europe have too high air pollution, and that it kills close to what smoking does. Cities have been ordered by the EU to clean up by the end of the year, or face harsh fines. Over 80,000 people die in the UK per year (smoking kills 100,000). Mostly from diesel engine pollution. Now try to think how many people it kills in the rest of Europe, the USA and the world? Cars (and buses) stink, are noisy, and worse -- they kill on a massive scale. There is alternative tech available for order now that doesn't kill as much, and provides better service. Demand that the killing machines are replaced, and the makers, and the users are brought to justice if they don't! http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-9500-people-die-each-year-in-london-because-of-air-pollution-study http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-95...

Karunamon 11y ago
That's evidence of pollution in general being a problem, which isn't even in the same ballpark as establishing culpability for any amount of deaths for an extra amount of one kind of pollutant by one carmaker over a fixed time period.
- illumen 11y ago
  See what was published just days before the VW scandal in Nature. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7569/full/nature15371.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v525/n7569/full/nature1...
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but that article talks about particulate emissions, something which even the cheating VWs don't have a problem with - the datapoint that led to this whole thing coming to light were high NOx emissions, not particulates.