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I work with some very capable foreigners. Some of them have been here for almost 10 years and still haven't gotten through the citizenship process. There is som

I work with some very capable foreigners. Some of them have been here for almost 10 years and still haven't gotten through the citizenship process. There is something wrong with that.

djb_hackernews 11y ago
> There is something wrong with that. To your employer the system is working as designed.
- johnward 11y ago
  What is the benefit? When I look h1b salaries they seem higher than normal but do they no include benefits or something?
  - djb_hackernews 11y ago
    I couldn't really say anything about the H1B program that hasn't already been said (you can see my post history as I've posted about it a few times myself) Basically the way the program is run gives a lot of power to employers and very little power to employees. In terms of salaries there are a few tricks employers use to suppress wages. Wages are set* by the department of labor but the data is very inconsistent which means you can hire someone as a level 4 software engineer with a market salary of 130k or you can hire her as a level 1 systems analyst at 65k... which do you think the employer picks? A big problem besides the nebulousness of it all is there isn't anyone responsible on the other side to verify. * actually employers can submit their own wage data to support the wages given, which is just insane.
  - throwaway2048 11y ago
    the benefit is you get a fully indentured servant, if they dare defy you, they get a one way trip back home.
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  What benefit is there to employers to have people languishing with green cards for years on end? H1B -> permanent resident can be a long process, but it is rarely the longest part of the process. Once they reach the permanent resident stage they are more or less equivalent to a citizen with respect to employment.
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I work with some very capable foreigners. Some of them have been here for almost 10 years and still haven't gotten through the citizenship process. There is som

by johnward 11y ago

I work with some very capable foreigners. Some of them have been here for almost 10 years and still haven't gotten through the citizenship process. There is something wrong with that.

djb_hackernews 11y ago
> There is something wrong with that. To your employer the system is working as designed.
- johnward 11y ago
  What is the benefit? When I look h1b salaries they seem higher than normal but do they no include benefits or something?
  - djb_hackernews 11y ago
    I couldn't really say anything about the H1B program that hasn't already been said (you can see my post history as I've posted about it a few times myself) Basically the way the program is run gives a lot of power to employers and very little power to employees. In terms of salaries there are a few tricks employers use to suppress wages. Wages are set* by the department of labor but the data is very inconsistent which means you can hire someone as a level 4 software engineer with a market salary of 130k or you can hire her as a level 1 systems analyst at 65k... which do you think the employer picks? A big problem besides the nebulousness of it all is there isn't anyone responsible on the other side to verify. * actually employers can submit their own wage data to support the wages given, which is just insane.
  - throwaway2048 11y ago
    the benefit is you get a fully indentured servant, if they dare defy you, they get a one way trip back home.
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  What benefit is there to employers to have people languishing with green cards for years on end? H1B -> permanent resident can be a long process, but it is rarely the longest part of the process. Once they reach the permanent resident stage they are more or less equivalent to a citizen with respect to employment.
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