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"When seconds count, the police are minutes away." No thanks. Try to take my right of effective self-defense away (as the U.K. started doing in the '50s) and

by hga 11y ago

"When seconds count, the police are minutes away." No thanks. Try to take my right of effective self-defense away (as the U.K. started doing in the '50s) and you won't like the consequences.

pjc50 11y ago
You know, I actually do like the consequences: crime rate a fraction of the US and only one school shooting ever.
- 15155 11y ago
  Hah, but an embarrassing overall violent crime rate. I'll take my much safer area plus my immediate means to self defense over your constables that are a hour out.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > but an embarrassing overall violent crime rate. Violent crime in UK is much lower than in US. UK crime statistics are more robust than US crime stats. In particular: The US uses a different definition of violent crime. The US doesn't bother to include a bunch of crime that the UK does include. United Kingdom: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... “Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.” (THOSB – CEW, page 17, paragraph 1.) United States: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/c... “In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.” (FBI – CUS – Violent Crime) In the UK a push that results in no physical harm could be counted as a violent crime. That same push, resulting in the same lack of physical harm, would not be counted as a violent crime in the US. > your constables that are a hour out. That's weirdly wrong too.

by hga 11y ago

"When seconds count, the police are minutes away." No thanks. Try to take my right of effective self-defense away (as the U.K. started doing in the '50s) and you won't like the consequences.

pjc50 11y ago

You know, I actually do like the consequences: crime rate a fraction of the US and only one school shooting ever.

15155 11y ago
Hah, but an embarrassing overall violent crime rate. I'll take my much safer area plus my immediate means to self defense over your constables that are a hour out.
- DanBC 11y ago
  > but an embarrassing overall violent crime rate. Violent crime in UK is much lower than in US. UK crime statistics are more robust than US crime stats. In particular: The US uses a different definition of violent crime. The US doesn't bother to include a bunch of crime that the UK does include. United Kingdom: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011?view=Binary http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-s... “Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.” (THOSB – CEW, page 17, paragraph 1.) United States: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/c... “In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.” (FBI – CUS – Violent Crime) In the UK a push that results in no physical harm could be counted as a violent crime. That same push, resulting in the same lack of physical harm, would not be counted as a violent crime in the US. > your constables that are a hour out. That's weirdly wrong too.