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Try checking how much space the Bing apps take up, preferably before you've used any of them.... Windows 10 is actually quite economical in the space it uses.

by scholia 11y ago

Try checking how much space the Bing apps take up, preferably before you've used any of them.... Windows 10 is actually quite economical in the space it uses. Remember, the full OS runs on 32-bit tablets with only 1GB of RAM and 32GB of storage. The MacBook means giving up the touch-screen, tablet and high-end pen functionality that you would get with a Surface Pro. Also, it seems a little inconsistent to worry about the space taken up by Bing apps while contemplating a solution that requires two whole operating systems and a VM ;-)

criddell 11y ago
> Try checking how much space the Bing apps take up Space is one concern. The other is that these things tend to be taking up cycles in the background. So there is some power consumption and bandwidth use. Plus, none of them are bug-free and so there are security concerns as well (not to mention the privacy issues). > giving up the touch-screen, tablet and high-end pen functionality that you would get with a Surface Pro If those functions were useful to me, I would be happy with a Surface Pro or Book. I have a Thinkpad Yoga that can do all that stuff and I've never actually used any of it other than to try it. > it seems a little inconsistent to worry about the space taken up by Bing apps while contemplating a solution that requires two whole operating systems The difference is that I have no interest in running any of those applications whereas if I had Mac OS available, there are Mac applications I would run (I'm a big fan of the Omni Group's software). No matter what machine I have, I'll be running Linux in a VM anyway, so that VM overhead is acceptable.
- scholia 11y ago
  > I have a Thinkpad Yoga that can do all that stuff and > I've never actually used any of it other than to try it. That surprises me, since I've just had to admit to myself that the ability to manipulate the screen directly is extremely useful. Thinking like you, I recently bought a new laptop without a touch screen (it was cheaper). A couple of weeks later, I returned it and paid the extra for one with a touch screen. Re Bing apps, they take up almost no space, use almost no resources, and are completely sandboxed. You might want to look into Windows Runtime, including https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh464925.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh4649...
  - criddell 11y ago
    I work mostly with text so the most important thing to me is having a good keyboard. I don't like touchscreen laptops because I don't like fingerprints on the screen. > I recently bought a new laptop What laptop do you use and how do you like it? As for the Bing apps, I get it that for what they do, they are efficient. But for me they provide no value and so the fact that they use some space, CPU, bandwidth, have bugs, and have privacy issues means that I would like to be able to uninstall them and not think about them. I don't understand why they aren't at least easily uninstalled. It makes me wonder if the data they send back to Microsoft is valuable even when they aren't actively used.
    - Amezarak 11y ago
      It looks to me like all you have to do to uninstall them is go to System -> Apps and Features, select the app, and click uninstall. Am I missing something? I tried it on a few and it seems to work fine.
      - criddell 11y ago
        When I tried to do that, a bunch of them had no uninstall option and I had to do a PowerShell command to get rid of them. I followed the instructions on this page: http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s-built-in-apps-and-how-to-reinstall-them/ http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s... Uninstalling Cortana is even trickier so I haven't done anything with it yet, but it's probably the feature I would most like to get rid of.
        scholia 11y ago
        Microsoft said: "You can turn off Input Personalization at any time. This will stop the data collection for this feature and will delete associated data stored on your device, such as your local user dictionary and your input history. As Cortana uses this data to help understand your input, turning off Input Personalization will also disable Cortana on your device. At https://www.bing.com/account/personalization https://www.bing.com/account/personalization, you can also clear data sent to Microsoft, such as your contacts and calendar data, user dictionary, as well as search and browsing history if your device also had Cortana enabled." Cortana is just a cute name for part of the indexed search feature, which is controlled by Group Policies: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_Cortana https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... Cortana is not turned on by default, and if she's not been turned on, there is no real benefit to removing "her". However, for the record, I think Cortana is great.... Since Windows 10 is "Windows as a service", patched and maintained remotely, I'd expect random screwing around to be repaired remotely. However, it would be interesting to know if this will affect Windows' stability or performance. However, in general, it's probably a bad idea to mess around with the workings of things you don't understand. This is one of the reasons I don't mess around with Android, or try to remove all the Google apps I don't want, or remove Google Now ;-)

by scholia 11y ago

criddell 11y ago

> Try checking how much space the Bing apps take up Space is one concern. The other is that these things tend to be taking up cycles in the background. So there is some power consumption and bandwidth use. Plus, none of them are bug-free and so there are security concerns as well (not to mention the privacy issues). > giving up the touch-screen, tablet and high-end pen functionality that you would get with a Surface Pro If those functions were useful to me, I would be happy with a Surface Pro or Book. I have a Thinkpad Yoga that can do all that stuff and I've never actually used any of it other than to try it. > it seems a little inconsistent to worry about the space taken up by Bing apps while contemplating a solution that requires two whole operating systems The difference is that I have no interest in running any of those applications whereas if I had Mac OS available, there are Mac applications I would run (I'm a big fan of the Omni Group's software). No matter what machine I have, I'll be running Linux in a VM anyway, so that VM overhead is acceptable.

scholia 11y ago
> I have a Thinkpad Yoga that can do all that stuff and > I've never actually used any of it other than to try it. That surprises me, since I've just had to admit to myself that the ability to manipulate the screen directly is extremely useful. Thinking like you, I recently bought a new laptop without a touch screen (it was cheaper). A couple of weeks later, I returned it and paid the extra for one with a touch screen. Re Bing apps, they take up almost no space, use almost no resources, and are completely sandboxed. You might want to look into Windows Runtime, including https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh464925.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh4649...
- criddell 11y ago
  I work mostly with text so the most important thing to me is having a good keyboard. I don't like touchscreen laptops because I don't like fingerprints on the screen. > I recently bought a new laptop What laptop do you use and how do you like it? As for the Bing apps, I get it that for what they do, they are efficient. But for me they provide no value and so the fact that they use some space, CPU, bandwidth, have bugs, and have privacy issues means that I would like to be able to uninstall them and not think about them. I don't understand why they aren't at least easily uninstalled. It makes me wonder if the data they send back to Microsoft is valuable even when they aren't actively used.
  - Amezarak 11y ago
    It looks to me like all you have to do to uninstall them is go to System -> Apps and Features, select the app, and click uninstall. Am I missing something? I tried it on a few and it seems to work fine.
    - criddell 11y ago
      When I tried to do that, a bunch of them had no uninstall option and I had to do a PowerShell command to get rid of them. I followed the instructions on this page: http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s-built-in-apps-and-how-to-reinstall-them/ http://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s... Uninstalling Cortana is even trickier so I haven't done anything with it yet, but it's probably the feature I would most like to get rid of.
      - scholia 11y ago
        Microsoft said: "You can turn off Input Personalization at any time. This will stop the data collection for this feature and will delete associated data stored on your device, such as your local user dictionary and your input history. As Cortana uses this data to help understand your input, turning off Input Personalization will also disable Cortana on your device. At https://www.bing.com/account/personalization https://www.bing.com/account/personalization, you can also clear data sent to Microsoft, such as your contacts and calendar data, user dictionary, as well as search and browsing history if your device also had Cortana enabled." Cortana is just a cute name for part of the indexed search feature, which is controlled by Group Policies: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_Cortana https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... Cortana is not turned on by default, and if she's not been turned on, there is no real benefit to removing "her". However, for the record, I think Cortana is great.... Since Windows 10 is "Windows as a service", patched and maintained remotely, I'd expect random screwing around to be repaired remotely. However, it would be interesting to know if this will affect Windows' stability or performance. However, in general, it's probably a bad idea to mess around with the workings of things you don't understand. This is one of the reasons I don't mess around with Android, or try to remove all the Google apps I don't want, or remove Google Now ;-)