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Both are to blame. Neither are to blame. Much of the success of Linux has been attributed to the GPL. It certainly had a role to play in opening up WRT firmware

by csirac2 11y ago

Both are to blame. Neither are to blame. Much of the success of Linux has been attributed to the GPL. It certainly had a role to play in opening up WRT firmware. The truth is that the GPL is a pretty restrictive license. I don't think it's fair to blame anyone for the fact that it's not compatible with much. That's its defining feature and the main reason people choose it; so if it blocks ZoL, it's working as intended. Which I consider a great loss. ZFS is fantastic. I use the BSD 2-clause license on my own stuff, but I can think of situations where I'd rather use GPL.

baldfat 11y ago
There seems to be a ton of commercial and proprietary software and services on Linux with the GPL. Too many people just don't understand the GPL. If you make changes you must share the changes does not equal Plague Like. GPL is the most used and misunderstood license. It is more complicated now than I wish it was but it has given birth to so much. I prefer it to BSD or MIT due to the share a like nature of GPL. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html
- dspillett 11y ago
  > If you make changes you must share the changes does not equal Plague Like. You don't even have to share the changes with the unwashed masses, or even the original author, just the people you sell/give the resulting program/service too. Of course they are free to distribute the changes more freely, the license explicitly states it is a breach for you to try block that, but you don't have to.
  - baldfat 11y ago
    The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
    - dspillett 11y ago
      Exactly. Though in the "a company or other organisation" situation IIRC your internal users count in the same way so far as the GPL is concerned so you should make the code available to them on request if you don't already and they are free to redistribute under the terms of the GPL. Another important caveat is the "upon request" part: you don't have to release the source to anyone unless explicitly requested so you don't have to release it automatically upon releasing a binary. Of course if you just use the results for your own needs/entertainment there is no requirement to release anything at all.
- csirac2 11y ago
  I'm no stranger to the GPL. I had a project which spent 9 months arguing with legal in a large institution to support 6 months work involving an independent open source contractor to work on a GPL'd thing. But it is a restrictive license. Its "plague"-ness comes from its incompatibility with other licenses. Or at least, in the case of ZoL/CDDL and Linux/GPL, the crippling practical realities of the resulting kernel module binaries that are a derived work trying to impose restrictions on each other. That's why you can find precompiled modules on the ZoL website, but never in a distro. That's a legitimate criticism, but as you say, also its defining feature.
masklinn 11y ago
> Much of the success of Linux has been attributed to the GPL. That I know, much of the success of Linux has been attributed to GNU, and mostly in the sense that it made Linux's legal background very clear while BSD's libc was in legal limbo (Linux used glibc which had been funded by the FSF for the express purpose of having a clearly free software libc)

by csirac2 11y ago

baldfat 11y ago

There seems to be a ton of commercial and proprietary software and services on Linux with the GPL. Too many people just don't understand the GPL. If you make changes you must share the changes does not equal Plague Like. GPL is the most used and misunderstood license. It is more complicated now than I wish it was but it has given birth to so much. I prefer it to BSD or MIT due to the share a like nature of GPL. http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html

dspillett 11y ago
> If you make changes you must share the changes does not equal Plague Like. You don't even have to share the changes with the unwashed masses, or even the original author, just the people you sell/give the resulting program/service too. Of course they are free to distribute the changes more freely, the license explicitly states it is a breach for you to try block that, but you don't have to.
- baldfat 11y ago
  The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL. Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.
  - dspillett 11y ago
    Exactly. Though in the "a company or other organisation" situation IIRC your internal users count in the same way so far as the GPL is concerned so you should make the code available to them on request if you don't already and they are free to redistribute under the terms of the GPL. Another important caveat is the "upon request" part: you don't have to release the source to anyone unless explicitly requested so you don't have to release it automatically upon releasing a binary. Of course if you just use the results for your own needs/entertainment there is no requirement to release anything at all.
csirac2 11y ago
I'm no stranger to the GPL. I had a project which spent 9 months arguing with legal in a large institution to support 6 months work involving an independent open source contractor to work on a GPL'd thing. But it is a restrictive license. Its "plague"-ness comes from its incompatibility with other licenses. Or at least, in the case of ZoL/CDDL and Linux/GPL, the crippling practical realities of the resulting kernel module binaries that are a derived work trying to impose restrictions on each other. That's why you can find precompiled modules on the ZoL website, but never in a distro. That's a legitimate criticism, but as you say, also its defining feature.

masklinn 11y ago

> Much of the success of Linux has been attributed to the GPL. That I know, much of the success of Linux has been attributed to GNU, and mostly in the sense that it made Linux's legal background very clear while BSD's libc was in legal limbo (Linux used glibc which had been funded by the FSF for the express purpose of having a clearly free software libc)