> working group also boasts the hilarious threads where William Simpson and Perry Metzger ran Phil Rogaway --- Phil Rogaway! --- off the list for trying, early

> working group also boasts the hilarious threads where William Simpson and Perry Metzger ran Phil Rogaway --- Phil Rogaway! --- off the list for trying, early and without success, to fix some of the more basic crypto mistakes I did not know that, thank you for pointing it out. On the other hand, I think I even read through the other material: > A decade later, Eric Hughes (I think? One of the early cypherpunks) made news [...] I got the link from somewhere, possibly on SILC, and remember the ensuing discussion. There was a lot of bickering, and one of the comments has remained with me. Can't remember the exact words, but the context was "if this was NSA, they sure knew how to appear juvenile."