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Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit. I had an interesting reaction reading this

Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit. I had an interesting reaction reading this: I'm totally sold on the idea and science behind this. We have large scale radio telescopes, why not cameras? But, I'm super turned off by the proposed plan: modified android OS combined with the promo photos makes me think viewfinder lag is going to be a bitch. v1 seems likely to feel like a janky short-run phone from a new manufacturer. Which is too bad, because the concept and possibilities are amazing. Light; the articles mentioned a partnership with FoxConn; why not work with them or Samsung to put one out that you just license tech for? And, it would be cool to see some high res samples.

rawnlq 11y ago
Probably will work similar to Lytro: https://pictures.lytro.com/ https://pictures.lytro.com/
- jobigoud 11y ago
  Lytro is a light field camera, I'm pretty sure the Light will NOT work similar to a Lytro. Light is fusing (at capture time I think) a few normal-sized sensors each using different exposure duration, focal length, etc. On the other hand Lytro collects a lot of tiny images each at the same exposure duration and focal length, but very close to each other. It's like having very big pixels but for each pixel you retain the color response from a large number of directions, instead of just the average color for that particular pixel, as in a regular camera. Continuous refocusing can be performed after the fact in a Lytro, not possible (or very limited) with the Light. But the Light should be able to do native HDR in one take (and real time HDR video maybe), not possible with a Lytro.
moultano 11y ago
If you break it out of the gallery, you can get a little better look. http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_14.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_14.jpg Pretty impressive.
- vessenes 11y ago
  I liked that first picture, too. And on closer inspection it's interesting -- some different color temperatures in different spots. I wonder if you get a natural HDR type capability using different sensors like this. The second one makes me think low light should be reasonably good, which is what I would hope for considering the technology description.
  - moultano 11y ago
    Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr. They feel painted. I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these.
    - lumpypua 11y ago
      > Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr. It is HDR. Multiple exposures means you can capture the full dynamic range in one "shot" and synthesize together the nicely exposed parts of each image. > I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these. I mean, a bunch, but the camera's firmware is doing it. I'm sure typical punch up postprocessing happened for publication, still the interesting dynamic range stuff is happening in the camera.
      - thrownaway2424 11y ago
        Is there any reason you couldn't do a single-shot HDR with a single sensor, by modulating the sense amplifier gain on a per-pixel (or per-row, or per-column) basis? The ISO sensitivity of a digital camera is just a gain coefficient in some circuit, so it seems like it could be controlled during the readout.
        moron4hire 11y ago
        Composite HDR shots are supposed to be done such that the shutter at the fastest speed properly exposes the highlights and the slowest speed completely blows out on the highlights, but the extremely dark shadows are properly exposed. In other words, it's about filling in the details when overexposure causes amplitude clipping. How most people end up shooting HDR, however, the component images mostly all have full detail in the shadows and highlights, meaning the final image really not much more than you've described. You can do that with a single shot and a contrast slider.
unicornporn 11y ago
> Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit. Yes, supposedly it outputs (or will output) raw/mosaiced DNGs[1]. I think it will be some time before we'll have access to these though. There's about a year until release and even the files available (downsampled to 1920 on the long side) looks noisy and a bit smeared (probably from noise reduction). [1] http://support.light.co/hc/en-us/articles/205746673-What-image-formats-does-the-Light-L16-Camera-output- http://support.light.co/hc/en-us/articles/205746673-What-ima...

rawnlq 11y ago

Probably will work similar to Lytro: https://pictures.lytro.com/ https://pictures.lytro.com/

jobigoud 11y ago
Lytro is a light field camera, I'm pretty sure the Light will NOT work similar to a Lytro. Light is fusing (at capture time I think) a few normal-sized sensors each using different exposure duration, focal length, etc. On the other hand Lytro collects a lot of tiny images each at the same exposure duration and focal length, but very close to each other. It's like having very big pixels but for each pixel you retain the color response from a large number of directions, instead of just the average color for that particular pixel, as in a regular camera. Continuous refocusing can be performed after the fact in a Lytro, not possible (or very limited) with the Light. But the Light should be able to do native HDR in one take (and real time HDR video maybe), not possible with a Lytro.

moultano 11y ago

If you break it out of the gallery, you can get a little better look. http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_13.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_14.jpg http://light.co/content/2-gallery/gallery_modal_14.jpg Pretty impressive.

vessenes 11y ago
I liked that first picture, too. And on closer inspection it's interesting -- some different color temperatures in different spots. I wonder if you get a natural HDR type capability using different sensors like this. The second one makes me think low light should be reasonably good, which is what I would hope for considering the technology description.
- moultano 11y ago
  Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr. They feel painted. I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these.
  - lumpypua 11y ago
    > Yeah, there does seem to be a little uncanniness to the lighting a la hdr. It is HDR. Multiple exposures means you can capture the full dynamic range in one "shot" and synthesize together the nicely exposed parts of each image. > I'm curious how much post-processing went into each of these. I mean, a bunch, but the camera's firmware is doing it. I'm sure typical punch up postprocessing happened for publication, still the interesting dynamic range stuff is happening in the camera.
    - thrownaway2424 11y ago
      Is there any reason you couldn't do a single-shot HDR with a single sensor, by modulating the sense amplifier gain on a per-pixel (or per-row, or per-column) basis? The ISO sensitivity of a digital camera is just a gain coefficient in some circuit, so it seems like it could be controlled during the readout.
      - moron4hire 11y ago
        Composite HDR shots are supposed to be done such that the shutter at the fastest speed properly exposes the highlights and the slowest speed completely blows out on the highlights, but the extremely dark shadows are properly exposed. In other words, it's about filling in the details when overexposure causes amplitude clipping. How most people end up shooting HDR, however, the component images mostly all have full detail in the shadows and highlights, meaning the final image really not much more than you've described. You can do that with a single shot and a contrast slider.

unicornporn 11y ago

> Some raw (is there an equivalent here?) or high res samples would be greatly appreciated in exchange for my deposit. Yes, supposedly it outputs (or will output) raw/mosaiced DNGs[1]. I think it will be some time before we'll have access to these though. There's about a year until release and even the files available (downsampled to 1920 on the long side) looks noisy and a bit smeared (probably from noise reduction). [1] http://support.light.co/hc/en-us/articles/205746673-What-image-formats-does-the-Light-L16-Camera-output- http://support.light.co/hc/en-us/articles/205746673-What-ima...