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This is old news (April this year) but it got picked up again because one of our politicians posted it as a guide to how the law is about to affect companies th

This is old news (April this year) but it got picked up again because one of our politicians posted it as a guide to how the law is about to affect companies that have servers in Australia, vs those (like us) without infrastructure on-shore. It's a strange law!

alfiedotwtf 11y ago
When an Australian Senator is linking to a VPN how-to in order to circumvent the law, and ISPs are still in the dark as to what data actually needs to be retained, it's a useless law.
- michaelt 11y ago
  It may well be a useless law. But unless the senator is from the party that supported the law, politicians making the other party's laws look stupid might just be politics as usual :(
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    Scott Ludlum may be the Greens Senator who detailed how to get around the law, but the then Communications Minister and our now current Prime Minister, said the following [1]: “If you have a device, you know, a phone or a smartphone, and if I call you through the mobile phone network there will be a record. Say my phone’s with Telstra, there’ll be a record with Telstra that I’ve called your number. If on the other hand I communicate with you via Skype for a voice call or Viber, send you a message on WhatsApp or Wickr or Threema or Signal or Telegrammer — there’s a gazillion of them — or indeed if you make a FaceTime call, then all that the telco can see, insofar as it can see anything, is that my device has had a connection with the Skype server or the WhatsApp server; it doesn’t see anything happening with you.” 1. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news-interview-basically-renders-the-metadata-retention-laws-useless-2015-3 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news...
  - NamTaf 11y ago
    He most certianly isn't. Scott Ludlam is from the Greens party, which are a not-extreme-but-still-left left-wing party. They're the 3rd 'major' party in AU politics, but trail far behind the big two. The big two came together on this to pass it, so although many of the minor parties are up in arms about it, it got steamrolled through. Additionally, Scott Ludlam is far more technologically adept than many of the old white law-educated guys in parliament. He's younger, he's very much of the IT era and is much more understanding of technology as a result. That's why he speaks out against this and other technology-related policies so often, because he gets the technological side of things.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  Yup. Probably pushed through by the last PM, who was such a moron he didn't even last 2 years before his is. Colleagues dumped him. The one who explained how to get around that law is our current Prime Minister [1]. 1. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news-interview-basically-renders-the-metadata-retention-laws-useless-2015-3 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news...
beedogs 11y ago
It's a terrible, unworkable law.

alfiedotwtf 11y ago

When an Australian Senator is linking to a VPN how-to in order to circumvent the law, and ISPs are still in the dark as to what data actually needs to be retained, it's a useless law.

michaelt 11y ago
It may well be a useless law. But unless the senator is from the party that supported the law, politicians making the other party's laws look stupid might just be politics as usual :(
- chris_wot 11y ago
  Scott Ludlum may be the Greens Senator who detailed how to get around the law, but the then Communications Minister and our now current Prime Minister, said the following [1]: “If you have a device, you know, a phone or a smartphone, and if I call you through the mobile phone network there will be a record. Say my phone’s with Telstra, there’ll be a record with Telstra that I’ve called your number. If on the other hand I communicate with you via Skype for a voice call or Viber, send you a message on WhatsApp or Wickr or Threema or Signal or Telegrammer — there’s a gazillion of them — or indeed if you make a FaceTime call, then all that the telco can see, insofar as it can see anything, is that my device has had a connection with the Skype server or the WhatsApp server; it doesn’t see anything happening with you.” 1. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news-interview-basically-renders-the-metadata-retention-laws-useless-2015-3 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news...
- NamTaf 11y ago
  He most certianly isn't. Scott Ludlam is from the Greens party, which are a not-extreme-but-still-left left-wing party. They're the 3rd 'major' party in AU politics, but trail far behind the big two. The big two came together on this to pass it, so although many of the minor parties are up in arms about it, it got steamrolled through. Additionally, Scott Ludlam is far more technologically adept than many of the old white law-educated guys in parliament. He's younger, he's very much of the IT era and is much more understanding of technology as a result. That's why he speaks out against this and other technology-related policies so often, because he gets the technological side of things.
chris_wot 11y ago
Yup. Probably pushed through by the last PM, who was such a moron he didn't even last 2 years before his is. Colleagues dumped him. The one who explained how to get around that law is our current Prime Minister [1]. 1. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news-interview-basically-renders-the-metadata-retention-laws-useless-2015-3 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/malcolm-turnbulls-sky-news...

beedogs 11y ago

It's a terrible, unworkable law.