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> Not just a story or two, but shockingly many good stories get overlooked by default I didn't realize that. Like every reader, I thought only my good stories
by hackuser 11y ago
> Not just a story or two, but shockingly many good stories get overlooked by default
I didn't realize that. Like every reader, I thought only my good stories were being overlooked! :)
> Any ideas?
I agree that signal-to-noise is a tough problem and I have no specific expertise. I suspect part of the solution is less democracy and freedom of speech: They are absolutely necessary in government and public life, to protect rights and ensure voices are heard, and I think we instinctively apply those ideals to online forums. But those tools don't apply well here; there are few rights to protect and much less risk to an unheard voice; nobody is going to jail, dying, or paying taxes. Also, democracy is a poor method for creating great products. The content, the linked stories and discussion, are your company's product [1]; what company designs their product/content by public vote? Does the NY Times? Do game studios? (I don't want to be Reddit or Wikipedia.) Even community-based open source projects have benevolent dictators.
I suspect a good benevolent dictator (BD) editing/managing content, including front page links and discussions, could greatly improve signal-to-noise. Maybe the users and BD split votes 50/50, or the users control and the BD overrides them when it is valuable. Of course I might dislke that particular BD's judgement; as with strongmen/women in government, be careful what you wish for (though maybe the BD could reign and users vote up/down on the BD's overall performance). But I expect I'd much rather have the judgment of one or a few of the best HN members/admins than of the HN average.
A couple more thoughts: 1) It would significantly differentiate HN from a million 'democratic' competitors. 2) It could be implemented experimentally: Have both a BD-edited front page (and maybe some disucssions) and the normal front page; see which draws traffic; experiment with different BD formulas and arrangements.
I've talked more than enough. Thanks if you've read this far, and thanks for wrangling the community.
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[1] I realize YC's profits come from elsewhere but for the sake of discussion let's focus on HN. I also realize YC may feel that engagement, not content, is the priority for HN. That may be your choice, but this one user is interested in signal-to-noise of content, and that will drive my engagement.
- dang 11y agoWhat you describe isn't super far off from what HN does—it is a mixture of voting and curation. I wouldn't go so far as to call us a BD though. For sure the goal of HN is to optimize for quality content, though, not engagement per se (though engagement is important to deciding what counts as high-quality), nor raw numbers. That's because the value of the site is intellectual curiosity.