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Idle Minds and What They May Say About Intelligence

23 points by prat 17y ago

MrSafe 17y ago
I wonder if these long distance connections in the brain can be formed through a specific studying technique? For example drawing analogies between seemingly unrelated subjects.
- prat 17y ago
  Or maybe that's how the "system idle process" naturally looks like - and as soon as mind is focused, all connections get clustered together.
- Alex3917 17y ago
  It probably works exactly the way you'd think. When you read books, are they mostly lists of specific facts (e.g. programming books) or books that are insightful? When you're not really doing anything, is your brain just processing the environment or reliving past experiences, or are you looking for patterns and connections?
- tungstenfurnace 17y ago
  Yes, it's called day dreaming :-) This corroborates the theory that long periods of doing nothing help to develop creativity. (Day dreaming makes you smarter; meditation makes you well.)
jerf 17y ago
How many times do we have to learn this? While "at rest" is a meaningful thing for a biological system to be in, it pretty much never equates to "no activity/changes", if ever. Everything in your body is always up to something; you can't press pause on chemistry. If nothing appears to be happening, that just means that the processes that do X and the processes that do opposite-of-X are currently in balance or homeostasis, not that they are not happening at all. Another example: Many people have the mental model of fat cells as mostly sitting there doing nothing, grabbing energy when in excess and only letting out energy when needed. Radio-tagged water studies have shown that in fact they are always taking in energy and always releasing energy (I'm glossing over the exact forms of "energy" since they don't matter to my point here), and what changes is not whether they are sitting there idle, but the difference in intake vs. outflow rates. They are not passive bags, but things constantly in motion. It still boggles my mind how many stories we get coming out like this, amazed that yet another process is never really "stopped". The amazing thing is when processes really do stop. (I can think of a few cases where this might happen, like when those anti-freeze blood frogs freeze, but I wouldn't care to bet that there isn't still some processes going on anyhow...)
- prat 17y ago
  Those are good points.. the important thing here though is, that "nothing stops" has been well established, however not only is there activity but a different kind of activity compared to the situation when mind is not at "REST"
richcollins 17y ago
I see some parallels with insight as described in David Rock's talk at Google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M

23 points by prat 17y ago

I wonder if these long distance connections in the brain can be formed through a specific studying technique? For example drawing analogies between seemingly unrelated subjects.

prat 17y ago
Or maybe that's how the "system idle process" naturally looks like - and as soon as mind is focused, all connections get clustered together.
Alex3917 17y ago
It probably works exactly the way you'd think. When you read books, are they mostly lists of specific facts (e.g. programming books) or books that are insightful? When you're not really doing anything, is your brain just processing the environment or reliving past experiences, or are you looking for patterns and connections?
tungstenfurnace 17y ago
Yes, it's called day dreaming :-) This corroborates the theory that long periods of doing nothing help to develop creativity. (Day dreaming makes you smarter; meditation makes you well.)

jerf 17y ago

How many times do we have to learn this? While "at rest" is a meaningful thing for a biological system to be in, it pretty much never equates to "no activity/changes", if ever. Everything in your body is always up to something; you can't press pause on chemistry. If nothing appears to be happening, that just means that the processes that do X and the processes that do opposite-of-X are currently in balance or homeostasis, not that they are not happening at all. Another example: Many people have the mental model of fat cells as mostly sitting there doing nothing, grabbing energy when in excess and only letting out energy when needed. Radio-tagged water studies have shown that in fact they are always taking in energy and always releasing energy (I'm glossing over the exact forms of "energy" since they don't matter to my point here), and what changes is not whether they are sitting there idle, but the difference in intake vs. outflow rates. They are not passive bags, but things constantly in motion. It still boggles my mind how many stories we get coming out like this, amazed that yet another process is never really "stopped". The amazing thing is when processes really do stop. (I can think of a few cases where this might happen, like when those anti-freeze blood frogs freeze, but I wouldn't care to bet that there isn't still some processes going on anyhow...)

prat 17y ago
Those are good points.. the important thing here though is, that "nothing stops" has been well established, however not only is there activity but a different kind of activity compared to the situation when mind is not at "REST"

richcollins 17y ago

I see some parallels with insight as described in David Rock's talk at Google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJSXfXep4M