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It's not America's fault that China and India have insane birth rates. More than half of them live in poverty and many corrupt officials stole money from the Ch

by shell0x 11y ago

It's not America's fault that China and India have insane birth rates. More than half of them live in poverty and many corrupt officials stole money from the Chinese people and settled in the US, Australia or Canada. Allowing more Chinese immigration would come with corruption.

ashwinaj 11y ago
Of course by definition there is no corruption in western countries ;) On a serious note, the country limits make sense since it was designed for diversity (both lottery and employment based). It is unfair to give preferential treatment to a particular group. Whether we like to admit it or not diversity is important (I'm an Indian and I'm saying this)
- zobzu 11y ago
  its quite a bit more complicated than that but yes. On the one hand one could argue that the US is also stealing resources from india because the US has more power. On the other hand if 100% of india works in the US, you're back to the reason why you left india, in another land. It's a bigger issue than an immigration issue, and honestly I don't think it's solvable (til machines supersede humans of course).
  - cubancigar11 11y ago
    I can only talk about India so here are my 2 cents: 1. Almost all people who are trying to leave India are highly educated. 2. Most of them don't plan to stay outside India for long time. 3. Large percentage of them go back to India when they have a girl child (contrary to popular western rhetoric about 'we are so great they are so bad', women in India are several times safer than in USA). 4. Another large group goes back to India once they have paid house loans, earned enough money, have ailing parents that need help. (India doesn't have a social security system.) 5. A large group of Indians who end up staying 'abroad' are from very specific areas of India (5 out of 29 states of India - Punjab and 4 states of southern India). 6. People from Punjab suffered a cultural shock during partition of India in 1947 and so they see little value in blind nationalism. Most of them are doing business and are not necessarily highly educated (I mean disproportionately). They accept westernization with open hearts. 7. Southern states don't appreciate Hindi being promoted by a Delhi based government - imagine Texas where everyone spoke 4 different languages but not English). So they are prone to moving out for prosperity. They are mostly highly educated. Most of the 'talent companies' like Infosys etc. are being run by them because they generally keep good ties back home. In general no love for westernization. Apu from Simpsons is their caricature. In short - the degree of success for an Indian in America depends on his support structure. Some communities have built it by being quite and bringing over the family, others have embraced westernization. Both require sheer perseverance. But for large number of Indians, it is simply easier to go back rich and enjoy respect from peers back in India.
    - throwaway049 11y ago
      "Large percentage of them go back to India when they have a girl child" Do you mean the birth of a girl child is a trigger to go back? "women in India are several times safer than in USA" What measure are you referring to?
      - cubancigar11 11y ago
        "Do you mean the birth of a girl child is a trigger to go back?" Yes. "What measure are you referring to?" Rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment.
- thephyber 11y ago
  > since it was designed for diversity Not diversity. US immigration laws have never been designed for diversity. The history of US immigration law is littered with incidents of xenophobic immigration laws targeted at Chinese, Japanese, Irish, as well as East and South Europeans. Usually the argument for capping or blacklisting immigration from specific nations relates to low observed assimilation rates among immigrants. I suspect that's mostly why most Mexican immigrants to the US use their family contacts in the US to get their immigration requests processed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_imm...
  - ashwinaj 11y ago
    I didn't mean designed for diversity historically (say before the civil rights act) And by the way, there are limits to family based visas that you are alluding to. The wait time for a Mexican national to get a green card is a lot lesser than India or China (employment based)
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by shell0x 11y ago

ashwinaj 11y ago

Of course by definition there is no corruption in western countries ;) On a serious note, the country limits make sense since it was designed for diversity (both lottery and employment based). It is unfair to give preferential treatment to a particular group. Whether we like to admit it or not diversity is important (I'm an Indian and I'm saying this)

zobzu 11y ago
its quite a bit more complicated than that but yes. On the one hand one could argue that the US is also stealing resources from india because the US has more power. On the other hand if 100% of india works in the US, you're back to the reason why you left india, in another land. It's a bigger issue than an immigration issue, and honestly I don't think it's solvable (til machines supersede humans of course).
- cubancigar11 11y ago
  I can only talk about India so here are my 2 cents: 1. Almost all people who are trying to leave India are highly educated. 2. Most of them don't plan to stay outside India for long time. 3. Large percentage of them go back to India when they have a girl child (contrary to popular western rhetoric about 'we are so great they are so bad', women in India are several times safer than in USA). 4. Another large group goes back to India once they have paid house loans, earned enough money, have ailing parents that need help. (India doesn't have a social security system.) 5. A large group of Indians who end up staying 'abroad' are from very specific areas of India (5 out of 29 states of India - Punjab and 4 states of southern India). 6. People from Punjab suffered a cultural shock during partition of India in 1947 and so they see little value in blind nationalism. Most of them are doing business and are not necessarily highly educated (I mean disproportionately). They accept westernization with open hearts. 7. Southern states don't appreciate Hindi being promoted by a Delhi based government - imagine Texas where everyone spoke 4 different languages but not English). So they are prone to moving out for prosperity. They are mostly highly educated. Most of the 'talent companies' like Infosys etc. are being run by them because they generally keep good ties back home. In general no love for westernization. Apu from Simpsons is their caricature. In short - the degree of success for an Indian in America depends on his support structure. Some communities have built it by being quite and bringing over the family, others have embraced westernization. Both require sheer perseverance. But for large number of Indians, it is simply easier to go back rich and enjoy respect from peers back in India.
  - throwaway049 11y ago
    "Large percentage of them go back to India when they have a girl child" Do you mean the birth of a girl child is a trigger to go back? "women in India are several times safer than in USA" What measure are you referring to?
    - cubancigar11 11y ago
      "Do you mean the birth of a girl child is a trigger to go back?" Yes. "What measure are you referring to?" Rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment.
thephyber 11y ago
> since it was designed for diversity Not diversity. US immigration laws have never been designed for diversity. The history of US immigration law is littered with incidents of xenophobic immigration laws targeted at Chinese, Japanese, Irish, as well as East and South Europeans. Usually the argument for capping or blacklisting immigration from specific nations relates to low observed assimilation rates among immigrants. I suspect that's mostly why most Mexican immigrants to the US use their family contacts in the US to get their immigration requests processed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_imm...
- ashwinaj 11y ago
  I didn't mean designed for diversity historically (say before the civil rights act) And by the way, there are limits to family based visas that you are alluding to. The wait time for a Mexican national to get a green card is a lot lesser than India or China (employment based)

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