3 ms·

A blade that small is entirely capable of delivering a mortal wound (and normal concealed body armor is little hindrance to edged weapons), and are you aware of

by hga 11y ago

A blade that small is entirely capable of delivering a mortal wound (and normal concealed body armor is little hindrance to edged weapons), and are you aware of the Tueller Drill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill ?

DanBC 11y ago
Sure. Police forces across the western world deal with blades that size or bigger without killing the person holding it. US police are incompetant.
- mildbow 11y ago
  Not incompetent. Rather, the "police can do no wrong" mentality is to engrained within their ranks (and those policing them) that standards of behaviour have drastically been lowered. Just the term "suicide by cop" is insidious and hilarious: victim blaming at it's finest. On the flip side, how bad has the situation gotten to where citizens know cops to be so trigger happy that they count on them as assisted suicide. When LEOs say they put their lives on the lines everyday, I believe them. BUT, they have a big hand in escalating situations to that point. The perceived threat of any harm to a LEO can be used as justification for killing someone. WTF? Hand-wavy accountability combined with the power to take away a life. This is why LEOs need to have body cams.
- michaelbuddy 11y ago
  When it comes to blades, I'd rather be called "incompetent" than dead. a quick youtube or liveleak search shows more than a few of these 'competent' police getting killed.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Yet other police forces in the western world deal with similar knives, and larger, without resorting to killing the person with the weapon. A quick youtube search shows police in England or Germany or etc subduing then arresting people with weapons. Why can they do it while US police can't? It's because i) US police have much less training and ii) US police can use their guns almost with impunity. The fact that the US doesn't even bother to count the number of people killed by police should tell you something.
    - michaelbuddy 11y ago
      that also happens all the time in the US. Not every knife incident in the U.S. results in a shooting death of the attacker. and if YOU were U.S. police you would use your gun against a knife attacker if you could. what do you think is on the mind of somebody with a knife? There's no reason to believe they want to do anything but kill you or someone else. And no reason to believe they'll stop at one person now or that they won't do it again. Knife fighting is a good way to get killed. Bottom line, you don't know it until you're in the shit or you're close to somebody in it. Ever been on a ride along? I'm guessing you haven't and you sit at home complaining about police without learning anything about it.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        > that also happens all the time in the US. Not every knife incident in the U.S. results in a shooting death of the attacker. US police shoot and kill about 1,000 people per year. That's far more than any other country. Some people claim it's because of US gun laws meaning more people have guns, but US police shoot and kill people with small knives. Those same people are not shot and killed in other countries - what are those countries doing differently? > and if YOU were U.S. police you would use your gun against a knife attacker if you could. If I was incompetent and had almost zero training then yes, I probably would shoot people. Maybe this is the thing that other countries are doing differently - providing adequate training? > what do you think is on the mind of somebody with a knife? We know that lots of people who are shot and killed by US police have no history of violence against other people, but do have a history of self-harm. We know that some people are attempting suicide, their families call the police for help, and the police shoot the person. That is clearly sub-optimal. I'm not sure how you could defend such useless policing. And you keep saying that people with knives are murderous villains - but you ignore the fact that these same murderous villains are not shot and killed in other countries. Why do English police manage to subdue then capture a violent man wielding a machette? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw This man would be dead in the US. > Bottom line, you don't know it until you're in the shit or you're close to somebody in it. Ever been on a ride along? I'm guessing you haven't and you sit at home complaining about police without learning anything about it. Why do you feel the need to defend incompetence and brutality?

by hga 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

Sure. Police forces across the western world deal with blades that size or bigger without killing the person holding it. US police are incompetant.

mildbow 11y ago
Not incompetent. Rather, the "police can do no wrong" mentality is to engrained within their ranks (and those policing them) that standards of behaviour have drastically been lowered. Just the term "suicide by cop" is insidious and hilarious: victim blaming at it's finest. On the flip side, how bad has the situation gotten to where citizens know cops to be so trigger happy that they count on them as assisted suicide. When LEOs say they put their lives on the lines everyday, I believe them. BUT, they have a big hand in escalating situations to that point. The perceived threat of any harm to a LEO can be used as justification for killing someone. WTF? Hand-wavy accountability combined with the power to take away a life. This is why LEOs need to have body cams.
michaelbuddy 11y ago
When it comes to blades, I'd rather be called "incompetent" than dead. a quick youtube or liveleak search shows more than a few of these 'competent' police getting killed.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Yet other police forces in the western world deal with similar knives, and larger, without resorting to killing the person with the weapon. A quick youtube search shows police in England or Germany or etc subduing then arresting people with weapons. Why can they do it while US police can't? It's because i) US police have much less training and ii) US police can use their guns almost with impunity. The fact that the US doesn't even bother to count the number of people killed by police should tell you something.
  - michaelbuddy 11y ago
    that also happens all the time in the US. Not every knife incident in the U.S. results in a shooting death of the attacker. and if YOU were U.S. police you would use your gun against a knife attacker if you could. what do you think is on the mind of somebody with a knife? There's no reason to believe they want to do anything but kill you or someone else. And no reason to believe they'll stop at one person now or that they won't do it again. Knife fighting is a good way to get killed. Bottom line, you don't know it until you're in the shit or you're close to somebody in it. Ever been on a ride along? I'm guessing you haven't and you sit at home complaining about police without learning anything about it.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      > that also happens all the time in the US. Not every knife incident in the U.S. results in a shooting death of the attacker. US police shoot and kill about 1,000 people per year. That's far more than any other country. Some people claim it's because of US gun laws meaning more people have guns, but US police shoot and kill people with small knives. Those same people are not shot and killed in other countries - what are those countries doing differently? > and if YOU were U.S. police you would use your gun against a knife attacker if you could. If I was incompetent and had almost zero training then yes, I probably would shoot people. Maybe this is the thing that other countries are doing differently - providing adequate training? > what do you think is on the mind of somebody with a knife? We know that lots of people who are shot and killed by US police have no history of violence against other people, but do have a history of self-harm. We know that some people are attempting suicide, their families call the police for help, and the police shoot the person. That is clearly sub-optimal. I'm not sure how you could defend such useless policing. And you keep saying that people with knives are murderous villains - but you ignore the fact that these same murderous villains are not shot and killed in other countries. Why do English police manage to subdue then capture a violent man wielding a machette? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw This man would be dead in the US. > Bottom line, you don't know it until you're in the shit or you're close to somebody in it. Ever been on a ride along? I'm guessing you haven't and you sit at home complaining about police without learning anything about it. Why do you feel the need to defend incompetence and brutality?