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(a) the main sources for all of it are pay-walled ACM and IEEE that professionals never use Balking at the $200/year ACM cost wouldn't signal to me that you're

by hga 11y ago

(a) the main sources for all of it are pay-walled ACM and IEEE that professionals never use Balking at the $200/year ACM cost wouldn't signal to me that you're a professional (in the First World, then again, they have Developing World discounts). IEEE, though, is $40/month for 25 articles with a max of 10 unused carrying over to the next month, $17/month for a "Basic" level of only 3. Plus membership; that's prohibitive.

nickpsecurity 11y ago
Oh, I totally agree. It's not just them: it's about everyone outside ACM/IEEE's target audience and then even them when they graduate haha. Just too expensive with an unknown value proposition for most. I capitalized on my access to a proxy to them to pull whole batches of papers out. I looked at "related work," etc, searched them, and pulled them too. Repeat, repeat for hours every week or two on related topics until years later I'm beyond the point of organizing or reading all of them lol. Just use my search bar now to find the local copy. However, even limited explorations found great stuff that solved or might solve problems people talk about. An example we see on HN a lot is storing data safely in the cloud. There's so many ways to do that in academia with prototypes and detailed analysis it isn't even funny to see someone ask that question. Yet, they won't see it unless they knew their University had ACM/IEEE access or they paid for it themselves. I think this is a huge problem given how much of a gold mine it's been for me. Good news its that CiteseerX and university web sites have many of the papers, too. Just gotta type keywords of the title, their name, and pdf (or PS) into Google to see if it's there. Sometimes Wayback Machine is only source. Great stuff disappears every year without getting mainstream attention. It's sad.
lfowles 11y ago
I was looking at renewing my IEEE membership yesterday to get article access... Naively I assumed the THREE articles per month level was included in regular membership dues. What a racket :/
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  I didn't even know about the limit until he said something. My University had no limit in their proxy: I pulled over 10,000 papers from it sometimes 50-100 a night. :O Wonder what they pay. Anyway, might help to get affiliated with a University or enlist the help of a student. ;)

by hga 11y ago

nickpsecurity 11y ago

Oh, I totally agree. It's not just them: it's about everyone outside ACM/IEEE's target audience and then even them when they graduate haha. Just too expensive with an unknown value proposition for most. I capitalized on my access to a proxy to them to pull whole batches of papers out. I looked at "related work," etc, searched them, and pulled them too. Repeat, repeat for hours every week or two on related topics until years later I'm beyond the point of organizing or reading all of them lol. Just use my search bar now to find the local copy. However, even limited explorations found great stuff that solved or might solve problems people talk about. An example we see on HN a lot is storing data safely in the cloud. There's so many ways to do that in academia with prototypes and detailed analysis it isn't even funny to see someone ask that question. Yet, they won't see it unless they knew their University had ACM/IEEE access or they paid for it themselves. I think this is a huge problem given how much of a gold mine it's been for me. Good news its that CiteseerX and university web sites have many of the papers, too. Just gotta type keywords of the title, their name, and pdf (or PS) into Google to see if it's there. Sometimes Wayback Machine is only source. Great stuff disappears every year without getting mainstream attention. It's sad.

lfowles 11y ago

I was looking at renewing my IEEE membership yesterday to get article access... Naively I assumed the THREE articles per month level was included in regular membership dues. What a racket :/

nickpsecurity 11y ago
I didn't even know about the limit until he said something. My University had no limit in their proxy: I pulled over 10,000 papers from it sometimes 50-100 a night. :O Wonder what they pay. Anyway, might help to get affiliated with a University or enlist the help of a student. ;)